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Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Re: Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered inside New York condo

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Post by jacquesm »

cyberlurker wrote: post #280
adenozine wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, to play devil's advocate for a moment. What is there to gain financially from killing him, if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes? The killer was evidently belonging to a highly capable skillset, and I'm extrapolating that they very nearly got away with his body in tow, and nobody would've been the wiser. Could they not have kidnapped him and ransomed the company? If there's financial qualms…

First thing that comes to mind: What was the financial or other motivation behind Mohammed bin Salman killing Khashoggi? It's a power move. Putin does it too.

The degree to which the American president praises the dictators of this world makes you wonder if he wishes he could do it too.

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Post by baybal2 »

yardie wrote: post #174
marcinzm wrote: post #108

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>that'd be geopolitical suicide Saudi Arabia seems to be doing fine last I checked.

Saudi Arabia carried out an extrajudicial killing in a small, neighboring state. This was carried out in the US. And for all intents and purposes could be considered an act of war against a state that has an unlimited war chest.

> small, neighboring state

That "small, neighboring state" is a №2 state in NATO

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Post by meowface »

chansiky wrote: post #147
tempsy wrote: post #81

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I don’t know why you think it’s less conspiratorial to believe this was just a regular joe vs a professional hit man. He had an electric saw and empty suitcase. left no blood and few clues. didn’t take anything from the apartment either. a regular joe who wanted to do this would’ve just shot him.

The story very much reads like a hit for sure. It sounds like he was interrupted because the neighbor called from hearing the screams and loud noises. I would imagine if he had another hour the body would have left the scene in the man's suitcase and the apartment would have looked spotless.

It surely means it's highly premeditated, but doesn't necessarily mean it's a hitman. The Stephen McDaniel case is an example of a boring-seeming law student showing similar levels of planning when murdering and dismembering a woman he was stalking.

The fact that there were screams loud enough to concern neighbors could suggest it wasn't quite so professional. If it were a professional hitman, why not use something guaranteed to instantly and silently incapacitate him, first, then focus on cleaning up the evidence? Or did they try to, but it didn't go as planned?

One possible explanation would be that the goal was to send a message (to him before his death, and others after it), not to try to make him disappear without a trace. Though, either way, it doesn't necessarily mean it was a professional hitman.

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Post by wruza »

RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #261

As an immigrant founder of a small company, America no longer seems to me like a safe environment. The entire political culture has become nothing short of toxic, and crimes like this out in the open makes you question why would an immigrant come to US to start a business if they can get murdered like this? The fact that this happened in one of the safest areas in New York, makes you wonder if city life even worth it…

How is an immigrant status related to (presumably) business/political issues the victim had? Do you believe that it is safe anywhere when you make deals and conflicts with people whose values do not include lives? Remember terrorism acts in both US and EU in last two decades. I'm assuming you're honest in your anxiety, but this rhetoric sounds just alarmist. As if some cityname was equal to a bunker-like safety zone and not just street-crime protecting area. What did you expect from local authorities to do to prevent his sudden murder? Put a wall around the city and profile everyone for a week to allow an entrance? Nobody and nothing can protect you from a random professional hitman, neither a personal protection service nor a gun, but as a regular person who does a legal business in a first world you're damn safe everywhere.

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Post by meowface »

barkingcat wrote: post #245
grugagag wrote: post #232

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Founded on what exactly?

dude's chopped up. matches signatures of other cannibal instances where the victim is chopped up.

It's not uncommon for murder victims to be dismembered to make disposing of the body/evidence a lot easier. It's not so easy or subtle to carry a full body out of a building and take it somewhere to dispose of it, but if you dismember the body and put the parts in trash bags, it just looks like you're taking out ordinary trash.

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Post by stanfordkid »

AlexandrB wrote: post #97
stanfordkid wrote: post #87

What a tragedy. If this has ties to any foreign business or government entity, I truly hope that the U.S government and military forces take swift and lethal action. Sometimes I feel like this is the sort of thing where the justice system and public media just don't work... send some SEALS to knock out whoever did this. It reminds me of the type of thing that happens with central american drug lords. I wish the artic…

1. Are you advocating for committing an act of war in response to this? 2. Jamal Khashoggi was similarly butchered and there's little doubt about the perpetrator's identity, yet we still trade with them and accept their VC money for our tech startups. I wouldn't hold my breath for a serious response unless the perpetrator turns out to be a government we already don't like.

1. If needed. I think I over-reacted in saying send a SEAL team out there. But I think in such situations, if this is a sort "gangster" situation -- we should seek diplomatic action and recourse -- esp if it is a foreign entity. 2. This is a horrible travesty. We are too deep in bed with the Saudi's

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Post by newsbinator »

tsimionescu wrote: post #57
slim wrote: post #34

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you'd be surprised. it seems he was getting death threats because of his business. disrupting established syndicates doing business transferring large amounts of cash everyday is risky. in France for example, taxi drivers burned Ubers in protest.

Did they burn them with the drivers inside? If not, how is that comparable to killing and dismembering a human being?

In Korea, taxi drivers burned themselves to protest ride-sharing: https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/qvyzn5/south-korea-uber-k...

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Post by OJFord »

dang wrote: post #272
filleduchaos wrote: post #223

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As far as I'm aware, this is the article that broke the story: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-headless-t... . I first saw it around 5AM Lagos time. As a bonus there's no paywall. I am not sure but I think the coverage might come across as a bit tabloid-y however.

Ok, we can change to that from https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body... . Thanks.

Maybe not a consideration, but nydailynews is not available from Europe.

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Post by mtgp1000 »

esoterica wrote: post #275
throwanem wrote: post #273

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There's a qualitative difference between wanting to live in a bunker, and having the front door key to my house be on the Internet for anyone with a blank and a bastard file to copy in half an hour. Not that penthouse problems will ever be my problems, granted. But let's not be too absurd here.

Almost every single family home on the planet can be broken into just by smashing a window. That's a far bigger vulnerability than the possibility of hacking someone's elevator. Most burglars are not very tech savvy but everyone knows how to swing a hammer.

The noise and evidence of a broken window acts as a strong deterrent - as well as a warning system to those inside. Using a stolen/copied/fabricated key is comparatively silent.

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Post by solidasparagus »

esoterica wrote: post #275
throwanem wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a qualitative difference between wanting to live in a bunker, and having the front door key to my house be on the Internet for anyone with a blank and a bastard file to copy in half an hour. Not that penthouse problems will ever be my problems, granted. But let's not be too absurd here.

Almost every single family home on the planet can be broken into just by smashing a window. That's a far bigger vulnerability than the possibility of hacking someone's elevator. Most burglars are not very tech savvy but everyone knows how to swing a hammer.

Utterly untrue. Clearly you've never lived anywhere dangerous - bars are a necessity.
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