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Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by nickpp »

zanny wrote: post #306
traveler01 wrote: post #116

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These people should look at Portugal. One of the highest taxers in Europe and our economy is crap. The middle class is basically paying for the rich and poor and they don't have money to spend on the economy. We can't support our companies because their products are actually more expensive than outside products (companies pay a lot of taxes too). It's more than known by every good economist that overtaxing isn't good…

Who you tax is more important than how much you tax. If you levy your tax burden entirely on the poorest aspects of society than of course its going to look bad. The US is largely socialism and profits for the corporations and free market absolutism and costs for the working poor.

And still US corporate taxes are among the highest in the world, while the working poor benefit from various tax breaks.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by rusk »

Supernaut wrote: post #324
rusk wrote: post #291

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IMO this sounds like fairly shaky ground to build your economy on

History demonstrates otherwise. Apple has had facilities in Ireland since 1979. Most of the Apple IIs that were sold in Europe were built in Cork.

You’re not on the same thread at all

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by Supernaut »

rusk wrote: post #332
Supernaut wrote: post #324

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History demonstrates otherwise. Apple has had facilities in Ireland since 1979. Most of the Apple IIs that were sold in Europe were built in Cork.

You’re not on the same thread at all

Whatever.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by 1123581321 »

mrlala wrote: post #323
1123581321 wrote: post #321

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Efficacy of these services is not a given relative to low tax + charity. Additionally, lower government revenue should require cuts from other areas first, like military and corporate subsidies. We shouldn’t accept that any of the supposedly missing Apple tax revenue should affect the poor or uneducated. To threaten such seems unethical.

Not sure how you sleep at night with logic like that, but ok.

We should each be able to disagree, and even consider the views of the other to have harmful consequences, and still live contentedly.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by tsimionescu »

petra wrote: post #303
tsimionescu wrote: post #294

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Not at all. By far the biggest engine of emigration is money. In my country (Romania) there are millions of people working in western Europe (2 million in Spain, 1 million in Italy, probably something similar in the UK + Germany + France). A large number of them are parents who leave their children at home and work for most of the year there to gather money. Even if you're talking about just software devs, people sti…

How are there 1 million Romanian workers in the UK(since brexit happened)?

I was saying 1M between UK, Germany and France. Most likely today there are fewer, because of Covid19. Brexit hasn't lead to repatriations, so no large change caused by it I believe.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by tsimionescu »

nickpp wrote: post #327
tsimionescu wrote: post #287

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> When it comes to creating wealth, taxation doesn't do anything but redistribute it. In order to actually generate wealth, you need capital, and people who use that capital more efficiently & effectively will become richer. It is a virtuous spiral. Sure, it's a virtuous spiral if you're one of the minuscule number of people that the spiral is pointing to. Otherwise, you see it for what it is, wealth being siphoned f…

All you have to do to become one of "Them" is to buy a stock share. Never has been wealth creation more accessible than today.

Do you actually believe that? How much money will I get from 1 share? How much money would I have to invest before my fortunes actually rise with the real fortunes of any particular company?

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by anoncareer0212 »

1123581321 wrote: post #334
mrlala wrote: post #323

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Not sure how you sleep at night with logic like that, but ok.

We should each be able to disagree, and even consider the views of the other to have harmful consequences, and still live contentedly.

Frankly, your argument is nonsensical, if you have something past tone policing your own conclusions, it'd be helpful.

Currently we're stuck at figuring out how an infinite prisoner's dilemma leads to an outcome that caps losses to one agent, and the cap somehow falls below "things we don't need to do" or around "things we have to do"

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by secondcoming »

rusk wrote: post #291
secondcoming wrote: post #216

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Not these days perhaps, but back in the 1990's it would have. Who else was there, EMC? And if Apple did leave it's not unrealistic that the reasons that made them leave would also be on the minds of the other multinationals in the area.

IMO this sounds like fairly shaky ground to build your economy on

Sure was, but 1980's Ireland had pretty much no economy at all. Emigration was an expectation, not a privilege.

The country needed all it could get. And it eventually did very well, then screwed it up in the Global Financial Crisis, but now seems to be doing quite well (until Brexit starts to have an effect).

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Post by Strom »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #330
negrit wrote: post #136

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I'm pretty sure Apple has an entity in Europe therefor the money this entity makes in Europe should be taxed in Europe.

Is it broken up that way? Do the US sales of Apple get taxed in the US, and European sales of Apple get taxed in Europe?

Indeed it is. I have an European Apple account and all my purchases get billed by Apple Distribution International Ltd. [1] which is an Irish company.

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[1] https://www.apple.com/ie/contact/

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