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Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by pmiller2 »

djsumdog wrote: post #17
happytoexplain wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If somebody incurs damage to government property without, as even you admit, any injury or immediate threat, and a government agent responds by using violence against that person, then yes, that is fascism. What perspective are you coming from that would define it any other way? You're practically admitting to using emotion to justify violence. Edit: Not to mention this is perhaps moot to the broader argument, as thi…

> If somebody incurs damage to government property There has been so much argument on the lines of "It's just property." I guess "They're just laws," as if they don't mean anything; as if laws were not the way we evolved socially to protect individuals from other individuals who wanted to cause harm. She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. It's literally destruction. Saying "oh, it's a thing and not a pers…

You are confused. A car doesn't feel pain. Unnecessary violence against humans is worse than unnecessary violence against property.

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Post by pmiller2 »

throwaway-92831 wrote: post #20
djsumdog wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If somebody incurs damage to government property There has been so much argument on the lines of "It's just property." I guess "They're just laws," as if they don't mean anything; as if laws were not the way we evolved socially to protect individuals from other individuals who wanted to cause harm. She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. It's literally destruction. Saying "oh, it's a thing and not a pers…

> She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. Not only that - there were four people inside the van and she aimed the explosive at the window in an obvious attempt to set fire to the passengers. Lots of mental gymnastics required to believe this wasn't attempted murder.

Why are you afraid to say that with your real account?

Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by lostmsu »

ramshorns wrote: post #9
refurb wrote: post #5

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Maybe I’m some sort of fascist, but I have zero problems with an officer using force to arrest someone who firebombed a police car, regardless of anyone was injured or she was an immediate threat after.

Violence in retaliation is not an appropriate response to property damage.

Oh, but I think it is. Imagine sum of the pain of people, that they endured to make some property by having to craft it compressed in a few seconds when the result of their efforts gets destroyed.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by throwaway-92831 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #22
throwaway-92831 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. Not only that - there were four people inside the van and she aimed the explosive at the window in an obvious attempt to set fire to the passengers. Lots of mental gymnastics required to believe this wasn't attempted murder.

Why are you afraid to say that with your real account?

Because I'm on my work computer and my personal account is in "noprocrastination" mode.

Chill out.

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Post by pmiller2 »

throwaway-92831 wrote: post #20
djsumdog wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If somebody incurs damage to government property There has been so much argument on the lines of "It's just property." I guess "They're just laws," as if they don't mean anything; as if laws were not the way we evolved socially to protect individuals from other individuals who wanted to cause harm. She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. It's literally destruction. Saying "oh, it's a thing and not a pers…

> She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. Not only that - there were four people inside the van and she aimed the explosive at the window in an obvious attempt to set fire to the passengers. Lots of mental gymnastics required to believe this wasn't attempted murder.

Maybe you should wait until after work, rather than hiding behind a throwaway:

> Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by throwaway-92831 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #25
throwaway-92831 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. Not only that - there were four people inside the van and she aimed the explosive at the window in an obvious attempt to set fire to the passengers. Lots of mental gymnastics required to believe this wasn't attempted murder.

Maybe you should wait until after work, rather than hiding behind a throwaway: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> please don't create accounts routinely

This is the first time I've ever created a throwaway. This is a flagged article anyways so who cares at this point.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by pmiller2 »

throwaway-92831 wrote: post #20
djsumdog wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If somebody incurs damage to government property There has been so much argument on the lines of "It's just property." I guess "They're just laws," as if they don't mean anything; as if laws were not the way we evolved socially to protect individuals from other individuals who wanted to cause harm. She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. It's literally destruction. Saying "oh, it's a thing and not a pers…

> She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. Not only that - there were four people inside the van and she aimed the explosive at the window in an obvious attempt to set fire to the passengers. Lots of mental gymnastics required to believe this wasn't attempted murder.

You know nobody in this thread has any fucking idea what you're talking about, right? There is no video of the referenced incident that's been posted here or in the linked article. I give you a 10.00 for your mental gymnastics routine.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by ancientworldnow »

lostmsu wrote: post #23
ramshorns wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence in retaliation is not an appropriate response to property damage.

Oh, but I think it is. Imagine sum of the pain of people, that they endured to make some property by having to craft it compressed in a few seconds when the result of their efforts gets destroyed.

Things will never be worthy of more concern than lives. This is an absolutely warped viewpoint you have and trying to justify it after the fact by inventing workers who allegedly care a car spit off an assembly line was destroyed is delusional.

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Post by pmiller2 »

throwaway-92831 wrote: post #26
pmiller2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you should wait until after work, rather than hiding behind a throwaway: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> please don't create accounts routinely This is the first time I've ever created a throwaway. This is a flagged article anyways so who cares at this point.

You just showed me you care. Except you don't care about the community, because you hide behind a throwaway.

Re: N.Y.P.D. Says It Used Restraint During Protests. Here’s What the Videos Show

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Post by throwaway-92831 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #29
throwaway-92831 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> please don't create accounts routinely This is the first time I've ever created a throwaway. This is a flagged article anyways so who cares at this point.

You just showed me you care. Except you don't care about the community, because you hide behind a throwaway.

You are cussing me out in another comment, so you also don't seem to care about the community much.

I wasn't hiding. But I'm definitely not revealing who I am now because you are hostile and unhinged.

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