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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by anon184925 »

usbfingers wrote: post #223

If you dislike the new name, branding, or user experience, instead of arguing over why or why not it is a good decision, I'd encourage you to get yourself involved and be that change. Before the rebrand, or even any talk user experience and design from Element (Riot), I didn't want to wait and started working on a privacy centric matrix client that focused on branding and user experience. I managed to get E2EE workin…

I just tried this on Android from F-Droid. I couldn't get past the login page, unfortunately. Bitwarden popped up to auto fill the form, but it didn't work. I tried typing my credentials manually, but it was rough because of the weird quirks with the text boxes. Why does the carat jump to the last character after every keypress? It made it nearly impossible for me to correct a typo. My password is pretty long, which royally confused the password input field. After a certain number of characters, it just stopped displaying anything. It also does not respect my system preference of not displaying the most recently typed character unmasked. Finally, after all that, I clicked login and the button just changed to a spinner forever.

I realize this is alpha quality software, but to claim to be focused on user experience and have such horrible UI issues does not give me any confidence, sadly.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by [deleted] »

surround wrote: post #307

On the thread 3 months ago for Launch HN: Riot (YC W20) - Phishing training for your team > Hi Ben - cool product! Speaking as the lead for Riot.im, I would recommend picking another name asap, if nothing else because Riot Games has an awful lot of lawyers (as we know first hand, unfortunately). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22677841 Then, 22 days ago, We’ve decided to rename riot https://news.ycombinator.com/…

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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by WorldMaker »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #319
AdmiralGinge wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

British here, I've definitely heard it used that way but it's not the first thing that comes to mind.

American here. It's not just a British thing, but it's definitely not a very common use of the word. I think "riot of color," however, is just one instance of a particular, positive use of the word "riot." More broadly, "riot" can mean something like "a really fun thing" (as in "Let's hang out with that guy, he's a riot!"). But I'm not surprised that Element/Riot found that this was not the primary association that f…

In the previous post comments there was an interesting debate on the etymology of the word riot. It's a French borrow in the Middle English era, so its etymology is at best "complicated". The "riot of color" idiom was one of the first written usages in English indeed predating the use of the term for violence, but the French word was "debate/quarrel" so it's hard to rule out that violence or negative connotations weren't always hand in hand in the metaphor underlying "riot of color".

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by WorldMaker »

bartread wrote: post #117
srg0 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

looking at you, git

I've always wondered about that one too. I mean naming is a minefield, but using a name that's well known to be at least mildly offensive in a particular dialect of English is probably something I would have chosen to avoid. I suppose at least they didn't call it "prck", "twt", or "cnt". One has to be grateful for small mercies.

From what I recall it was intentional on part of the early git team. They did want to make it clear it was a "dumb" VCS compared to work going on in some of the smarter ones such as darcs. git has always had something of the Unix "worse is better" philosophy at its core, and it is amusing it chose to wear that so much on its sleeve that it took that as a name.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by usbfingers »

anon184925 wrote: post #321
usbfingers wrote: post #223

If you dislike the new name, branding, or user experience, instead of arguing over why or why not it is a good decision, I'd encourage you to get yourself involved and be that change. Before the rebrand, or even any talk user experience and design from Element (Riot), I didn't want to wait and started working on a privacy centric matrix client that focused on branding and user experience. I managed to get E2EE workin…

I just tried this on Android from F-Droid. I couldn't get past the login page, unfortunately. Bitwarden popped up to auto fill the form, but it didn't work. I tried typing my credentials manually, but it was rough because of the weird quirks with the text boxes. Why does the carat jump to the last character after every keypress? It made it nearly impossible for me to correct a typo. My password is pretty long, which…

I've addressed these problems you listed in version 0.0.19 but getting updates to the F-Droid store is a very slow process. The next F-Droid release will have auto updates enabled with the F-Droid team, so those and future issues should be fixed relatively quick from that platform.

Regardless, thanks for trying it out.

Edit: feel free to post issues like this directly to the project in github if you decide to try it out again

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by kick »

slightwinder wrote: post #220
neiljohnson wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry you don't like the name, hopefully it will grow on you. On SEO, quoting from the post itself "We’re obviously aware that Element is (once again) both a dictionary word and a mathematical term - but in practice, looking at search results for Element right now, the top hits are for dictionary sites(!) and the field is wide open. Conversely, in a virgin browser on VPN, Riot is the 4th hit on Google for Riot; secon…

Maybe your Google-Bubble is just broken? For me searching for Element brings up mostly companies and products which are using this name. Just a low number of results are dictionaries and knowledge-sites. Good luck competing with all of them.

Your first sentence makes no sense, given in the comment right above you (which is quoting the article) it points out that it was with a cookie-less browser and a VPN. You're far more likely to be the one who's bubbled in differently than your average person.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by TuringTest »

ndarilek wrote: post #219
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatsapp can be an extremely confusing name for non-native English speakers. I'm from Spain and I think 90% of the time I see it written in Spain, it's written wrong (wassap, whasapp, wuatsapp, whatsap, watsap, wuassap, wuassapp, whatsup, watsup, etc.). Sometimes a phonetically "transliterated" version is used instead, like "guasap", which I find more tolerable because at least then it becomes a genuine Spanish word,…

Wow, native English speaker and I didn't even get the pun until this comment. I thought it was a stupid play on "What app should we message each other on?" and thus kind of a silly name. But folks use it regardless.

Really? I'm a native Spanish speaker, and the first thing I thought when learning about the app was that[1] ad.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W16qzZ7J5YQ

(Forgive me, it was still recent around here at the time the app got popular).

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by TuringTest »

worble wrote: post #213
snarfy wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It fails the two syllable rule. All the best companies/bands/groups have two syllable names. If by chance a company succeeds without the two syllable name, a two syllable pseudonym will materialize.

>a two syllable pseudonym will materialize Hmm, which sounds better? "Let's chat on the 'ment" "Let's chat on Ele" I'm trying to guess which will get used. I'm thinking the second one. Or maybe just drop the 'e' and say "Let's talk on el'ment"? That might confuse some Europeans though, maybe just "e'ment" is better.

"I'll meet you in the Matrix".

How cooler than that can it be? I wouldn't be surprised if matrix-based apps get popular at first by using the protocol name, and only them using the app name as a differentiator.

"My niece installed me this app for chatting in the Matrix, what was it called? Ah yes, Element Matrix."

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by patmorgan23 »

cyphar wrote: post #105
C4stor wrote: post #92

After various HN threads about this company, and taking a tour on the element.io website, I'm still not sure what this is about to be honest. I understand it's a chat app, but - The pricing is really confusing (seems like the app is free, but having an account is paying ?). - Is this a professional thing, like slack, or more of a whatsapp-like thing ? Trying to do both ? The whole differentation point seems to be bas…

Matrix is a decentralised e2e-encrypted chat protocol (similar model to email) that you can self-host and is all free software. Encryption is between devices so the homeserver doesn't see the contents, but if you self-host then only the homeservers involved in the chat ever see your encrypted messages -- this is in contrast to centralised services like Signal where everything goes through one entity. You can create a…

Does anyone know why they moved away from vector in the first place? It made sense with the protocol being named matrix. Was it seo?
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