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I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Did the last bubble kill the website?

I mean, I remember when a website was something a company had, not something a company was.

The trend toward per-project companies is, I think, fundamentally a good one. It means less job security, but more creative freedom, and probably more money going to the creators and less to managers.

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Ahem: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/... :) Just sayin'. But, to your point, yes I would welcome a world where all the ultra low-fi junk would disappear and where there was less noise in the app marketplace... like 2003, except with today's consumer awareness. But the exact opposite will happen. Right now, our peers are building tools to allow ever lower-fidelity apps to enter the marketp…

I think you're right that the low-fi junk will only increase, but just want to point out that it's not always less qualified people who produce the low-fi crap. Sometimes CS majors just want to go for the cash :)

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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There is no stock market bubble. News flash: coupons are still boring and I don’t want to give out my email address to a service I don’t even know I’ll benefit from. So now we have an App Store that serves nothing but candy, and we all love candy don’t we? The OP is not the intended audience for most/all of the apps he's talking about. I don't think he understands that. There are apps and companies that seem to be ab…

There is no stock market bubble. nobody said there was a stock market bubble. but I suggest you to check few graphs on Google/Yahoo Finance. But the market will decide that. Not us nerds. I hope us nerds are a little bit more aware about stuff going on than Mr. Market .

nobody said there was a stock market bubble

That's what the word "bubble" refers to, though. If the OP didn't mean a stock market bubble, he should explain what he does mean. A "bubble" of investing? Why would it warrant the analogy of a bubble? What horrible things happen if and when VC investments don't pan out?

What people are trying to call a bubble is actually just an increase in investment by VCs, sometimes good investments, sometimes bad, and sometimes there are overvaluations.

But if you think we're in a bubble, you either don't remember the real bubble of 1999 or you misunderstood what the problem was.

I suggest you to check few graphs on Google/Yahoo Finance

Considering the deep trough we just came out of, it makes sense that we see a stock market uptick. Moving up != inherently bad.

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Incoherent drivel. I hope this bubble kills the content-free vanity blog post / spam. Seriously, just don't write this crap. It's no good.

Not only did you fail to read my disclaimer, but according to your profile you make iPhone games. I guess I cut to the core of you, Baxter.

What struck me about your post was the disdain you have for the tools that allow "non-professionals" to create applications. "But hey, I guess that’s what happens when you make the web so accessible that anyone thinks he can do it, too." Well, I remember the Internet before the web and you know what? I guess that's what happens when you make the Internet so accessible that anyone thinks they can do it.

I also notice you program in C# and Ruby, which (tongue in cheek) aren't real langauges. I mean, they're interpreted! You know, like BASIC. Meant for toy programs and people that don't know how computers really work. I still remember the time when applications (shrink wrapped applications) were written in Assembly language because even a compiled language like C produced "toy" applications (one reason why Lotus ate Microsoft's lunch in the early 80s---Lotus 1-2-3 was written in Assembly when Microsoft's Excel wasn't and it showed).

The whole point of things like assemblers, compilers and interpreters are to make programming easier so people can ignore gritty details and get on with their job. And as much as I hate PHP, it has allowed people who otherwise could not express their ideas, a way of expressing their ideas (personally, I wouldn't want to maintain their code or even look at it, but that's a separate issue).

As I read it, you seem upset that apps you deem stupid are getting funding and you aren't.

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no stock market bubble. nobody said there was a stock market bubble. but I suggest you to check few graphs on Google/Yahoo Finance. But the market will decide that. Not us nerds. I hope us nerds are a little bit more aware about stuff going on than Mr. Market .

nobody said there was a stock market bubble That's what the word "bubble" refers to, though. If the OP didn't mean a stock market bubble, he should explain what he does mean. A "bubble" of investing? Why would it warrant the analogy of a bubble? What horrible things happen if and when VC investments don't pan out? What people are trying to call a bubble is actually just an increase in investment by VCs, sometimes goo…

That's what the word "bubble" refers to, though

why? not at all. last spectacular bubble was in real estate - it was accompanied by stock market rise but not by any means stock market bubble.

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My thoughts exactly. Doesn't anyone want to innovate, or "change the world" anymore? If someone's going to go through all of the labor to make a copy of groupon or an iFart app or a twitter API mashup just for the cash, they should just write a Forex trading algorithm. They'll make more money that way, and their models will be infinitely more computationally unique than any consumer copycat.

"If someone's going to go through all of the labor to make a copy of groupon or an iFart app or a twitter API mashup just for the cash, they should just write a Forex trading algorithm." You mean writing one that makes money? That's infinitely harder than the examples you provided. Quite a lot of smart guys put nontrivial effort into that. You need to be as good as them, preferably even a little better. Good luck.

Smart guys don't trade Forex.

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Uh... speaking of being the next Mark Zuckerberg have you heard of Facemash? It's exactly the kind of crap the lean startup movement is trying to foster. That's exactly the idea, that any idiot can make a website, scrape some content and become a billionaire.

Yes, today Facebook has scaling issues but seriously any idiot with a book on PHP could make the original Facebook (the tech side, Facebook is all about execution and not tech).

Regarding companies being the app, have you heard of Microsoft, Oracle or SAP? Ok, granted Microsoft has two apps Windows AND Office, but why do you think Microsoft started branding everything Windows? All those companies are built off of a single 'app'.

Microsoft = DOS then Windows Oracle = Oracle DB SAP = SAP

One company who embodies the one app.

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Did the last bubble kill the website? I mean, I remember when a website was something a company had , not something a company was . The trend toward per-project companies is, I think, fundamentally a good one. It means less job security, but more creative freedom, and probably more money going to the creators and less to managers.

The job security is an illusion anyway.

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no stock market bubble. nobody said there was a stock market bubble. but I suggest you to check few graphs on Google/Yahoo Finance. But the market will decide that. Not us nerds. I hope us nerds are a little bit more aware about stuff going on than Mr. Market .

nobody said there was a stock market bubble That's what the word "bubble" refers to, though. If the OP didn't mean a stock market bubble, he should explain what he does mean. A "bubble" of investing? Why would it warrant the analogy of a bubble? What horrible things happen if and when VC investments don't pan out? What people are trying to call a bubble is actually just an increase in investment by VCs, sometimes goo…

Those talking about bubbles generally have serious financial interests in lowering initial valuations.

When you see a VC claim that one of their portfolio companies is overpriced then we MIGHT be in a bubble. Those talking about bubbles generally point to companies they don't own as examples of a bubble.

Re: I Hope This Bubble Kills The App

#40
Meh.

Apple first tried to push developers to the web. It was because of the hacking community that apps got popular and they opened up the iPhone OS (now iOS).

Mobile apps are great for small and quick functional tasks. It's not a great interface to do incredibly complicated actions unless they can be done at the press of a button, minimal typing or by a swipe.

I agree there's a lot of crud out there but I'd like to see where Adam Conrad has solved world hunger, ended climate change or stopped wars. He calls everyone else out. Where's his contribution to solving HUGE problems? :)

I think small apps by small teams have to start from somewhere. However, we probably don't need any more fart or lighter apps.

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