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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by kibwen »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #286
School-Cotton wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this, as an American. “What’s up”, “hey”, or “yo” (or some combination of the above like “yo, what’s up?”) are all extremely ubiquitous and way more common than more standard greetings like “hi” or “hello”, I in my experience.

So how do you reply to "What's up", by saying "Not much" or repeating "What's up"? I've never been able to figure this one out.

For a phatic ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phatic_expression ) greeting like this, you're pretty much safe to respond with any other phatic greeting. These phrases just serve as verbal handshakes of acknowledgement, and don't need to be interpreted literally.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by dmix »

surround wrote: post #307

On the thread 3 months ago for Launch HN: Riot (YC W20) - Phishing training for your team > Hi Ben - cool product! Speaking as the lead for Riot.im, I would recommend picking another name asap, if nothing else because Riot Games has an awful lot of lawyers (as we know first hand, unfortunately). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22677841 Then, 22 days ago, We’ve decided to rename riot https://news.ycombinator.com/…

I know a couple other products/services named Element already... not that you have to worry about lawyering but it's pretty generic and doesn't sound like a messenger, sadly. Oh well, they are doing great work.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by surround »

_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

On the other hand,

“Do you have Element?”

is less confusing than

“Do you have Signal?”

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by 1123581321 »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #286
School-Cotton wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I second this, as an American. “What’s up”, “hey”, or “yo” (or some combination of the above like “yo, what’s up?”) are all extremely ubiquitous and way more common than more standard greetings like “hi” or “hello”, I in my experience.

So how do you reply to "What's up", by saying "Not much" or repeating "What's up"? I've never been able to figure this one out.

If you are a father, “the sky.” Otherwise, just repeating “what’s up” or “hey, how are you!?” is fine.

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Post by greatgib »

chessmango wrote: post #27
greatgib wrote: post #24

It will be impossible to find on Google. Also, I'm wondering if it a good choice for such a project to use the hipster '.io' domain regarding the risk in a near future with this domain name.

Feel like I'm missing something important here. What's happening with .io?

In addition with management issue, the biggest issue/risk with .io is related to the fact the domain might have to come back Mauritius in a short term/few years as UK ownership of the related islands are unlawful: http://domainincite.com/24236-future-of-io-domains-has-becom...

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Post by marcinzm »

amandine wrote: post #302
marcinzm wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack and Matrix solve different problems. Slack is "a company wants it's employees and select outside parties to communicate with themselves." Matrix is "we want everyone to communicate with each other." A broader solution is almost always less efficient for a specific constrained sub-problem. For example, a Slack instance can be configured to log every conversation (including DMs) for audit purposes by company admi…

You can disable e2e on your server if you wish so. The option already exists in Synapse and it is part of Element Matrix Services customers. For those who are legally required to be on record, there are other ways to keep track of the conversations for audit purposes without compromising the e2e encryption. For example, every room could have an audit bot invited by default, visible by the users, and which would recor…

Your comment reinforces my initial point: "A broader solution is almost always less efficient for a specific constrained sub-problem."

It all sounds very complicated compared to paying a bit of money and toggling a setting. For example, googling for "elements/riot/matrix audit bot" results in no pertinent results from what I can tell. Being possible is not the same thing as being easy to use.

edit: Also companies don't care about being clear to users except as legally required or beneficial to the company. Employees not being constantly aware that they're being watched all the time is a positive and not a negative.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by kibwen »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #297
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how do you reply to "What's up", by saying "Not much" or repeating "What's up"? I've never been able to figure this one out.

"What's up" is actually a true invitation to tell the person recent events that have happened to you. If you don't want to give many details, possible responses are "Not much", "Same old, same old", "Nothing new", etc. You can also respond in the same way as you would to "How are you?", e.g. "Let's see, I'm doing good, trying to stay sane in Corona-times, but healthy!" You should never just repeat "What's up" back wi…

I'd be cautious calling it a "true invitation"; it is true that someone who greets with "what's up" isn't going to be put off by a brief legitimate answer, but the greeter is likely not trying to introduce a conversation topic on your well-being, and may be caught off-guard if you launch into an extensive answer.

I would also caution against strongly saying that one should "never" fail to answer the question; in the US at least, it's such a common/generic expression that nobody is likely to be offended if you respond with "hey, how's it going?", or "hey, what's up?", or "what's up with you?".

The situation is similar to "howdy", which almost nobody outside the US south realizes is actually a question (short for "how are you doing?"). Sincerely answering "howdy" with e.g. "I'm fine, thanks" is a bit of a shibboleth that southerners can use to identify each other, but failure to do so is not any real faux pas.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by tyrust »

mywittyname wrote: post #309
dyingkneepad wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I see news about Riot I immediately think about Riot Games and League of Legends. I guess most people who don't know Element will assume Riot in the context of a messaging app is some client they have done to work alongside LoL. Riot Games is too big for anything else computer-related to manage to succeed, especially if males between 15 and 35 years are a significant part of their target customer base.

I don't even play LoL and I still think of Riot = Riot Games. I'm willing to bet that was also a factor in their name change. In fact, a quick Google search for Riot brings up Riot games as the first result and the wikipedia entry for them appears on the side bar. So I'm guessing this was the case for the vast majority of Americans.

From the article:

>This name change has been a long time in the making. As we explained when we announced the rebrand a few weeks ago, we’ve had major issues with a certain gigantic games company which has blocked us from being able to trademark Riot or even Riot.im - a huge issue when it comes to defending users against abusive forks of the app.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by pdabbadabba »

AdmiralGinge wrote: post #94
choward wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've honestly never heard it used that way. I have no idea what that means. Is it a British thing? I've only ever heard it used one way.

British here, I've definitely heard it used that way but it's not the first thing that comes to mind.

American here. It's not just a British thing, but it's definitely not a very common use of the word.

I think "riot of color," however, is just one instance of a particular, positive use of the word "riot." More broadly, "riot" can mean something like "a really fun thing" (as in "Let's hang out with that guy, he's a riot!"). But I'm not surprised that Element/Riot found that this was not the primary association that folks were making.

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Post by gagege »

lostcolony wrote: post #304
quasarj wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a native English speaker, also had no idea it was supposed to be a pun until right now. I just thought it was another silly name from an Asian company.

Complete tangent, but, by any chance, when you read things, do you not 'hear' a voice in your head reading them? Curious, because I'm pretty sure the first time I ran across Whatsapp it was in text, but I tend to 'hear' the things I read/write in my head, as though a voice read them to me. And because of that the pun stuck out. It might just be I'm more inclined to look for puns (playing games with them all the time…

I don't think that's it, I hear words in my head, but didn't get the pun until I watched a Jimmy Fallon bit where he made fun of the name.
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