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How Western Diets Are Making The World Sick

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Re: How Western Diets Are Making The World Sick

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And the flip side of the coin. "How western diets are driving the next stage of evolution in humans"

Talk about taking the long view! While you're watching that I'll watch the rain making a new valley outside my window.

Hah! I've just become so cynical about these kinds of things that I assume genetic adaptation will solve this problem better then education will. We've been tampering big time with our food supply since the 90's and only a few people seem to care so far.

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I've been overweight my entire life, and honestly, I blame the Surgeon General in the 1980s for telling my mom that feeding me low fat foods (which end up being high carb foods) will make me skinny. Everyone believed this cargo cult "science" and it has had a devastating impact for hundreds of millions of people.

I'm asking this sincerely, but don't people from traditionally healthy Asian countries eat a hell of a lot of rice? That's my first thought every time someone mentions how bad carbs are. But I have trouble finding any non-antecdotal data. I want to believe the obesity problem is more of a portion control thing, for example, when McDonald's opened, did a normal adult actually eat a hamburger and small fries for lunch…

Asians eat a lot of rice, but then again, they are a physically active people. (Please excuse the gross generalization.)

(Weight gain/loss is ultimately a simple equation: calories in ‒ calories out. Eat more but exercise more and they'll cancel out.)

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm overweight and I blame myself for eating too much and not getting enough exercise.

There is some possibility that you eat too much because you are fat. It goes something like this, (details are surely wrong, but just so you get the idea. Google gary taubes for more info): 1. Your body is expecting a certain amount of calories at any point during the day which is either being pumped into your bloodstream from your fat or food in your gut. 2. Your fat doesn't work right, (probably because you eat too…

I'm not saying it's easy, discipline is as tough as you just described. I run every other day for at least 30 minutes, and I try to eat healthy.

I have weighed more, and i have weighed less. Not morbidly obese, but my doctor would prefer I dropped 20. I have found stress is a factor.

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Am I the only one that felt like he was holding the Afghanistan people up as a model of health because they lack fat? Their life expectancy is a mere ~44 years ( http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le... ). Neighboring Pakistan is 66 years ( http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le... ).

Reminds me of a cartoon with a caveman thinking, "Something's just not right - our air is clean, our water is pure, we all get plenty of exercise, everything we eat is organic and free-range, and yet nobody lives past 30." :)

Life expectancy decreased in early grain-cultivating civilizations—foraging provided better diet, fewer cavities.

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Am I the only one that felt like he was holding the Afghanistan people up as a model of health because they lack fat? Their life expectancy is a mere ~44 years ( http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le... ). Neighboring Pakistan is 66 years ( http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le... ).

It would be more interesting to limit the comparison to those who die of causes other than, say, gunshot wounds. It would also be interesting to see a comparison of health, rather than just length of life.

I'd have guessed that people from US and Canada are mainly of North European descent, and so much more likely to have adapted to a colder climate. To be honest you'd probably have to compare Afghan people to Southern Italians, and unsurprising enough, the difference would be much smaller.

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post #30

I've been overweight my entire life, and honestly, I blame the Surgeon General in the 1980s for telling my mom that feeding me low fat foods (which end up being high carb foods) will make me skinny. Everyone believed this cargo cult "science" and it has had a devastating impact for hundreds of millions of people.

I'm overweight and I blame myself for eating too much and not getting enough exercise.

If you were the only one I wouldn't think otherwise―but obesity is now a worldwide problem (well, at the moment solely in more economically developed areas).

Ultimately it's up to the individual to control how much they eat and exercise, but we've been misinformed for decades (and still, to this day!) on how to live healthily. The reason obesity has become an epidemic is surely due, at least in part, to this.

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post #53
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is some possibility that you eat too much because you are fat. It goes something like this, (details are surely wrong, but just so you get the idea. Google gary taubes for more info): 1. Your body is expecting a certain amount of calories at any point during the day which is either being pumped into your bloodstream from your fat or food in your gut. 2. Your fat doesn't work right, (probably because you eat too…

I'm not saying it's easy, discipline is as tough as you just described. I run every other day for at least 30 minutes, and I try to eat healthy. I have weighed more, and i have weighed less. Not morbidly obese, but my doctor would prefer I dropped 20. I have found stress is a factor.

Try spending some time carefully defining "eat healthy." I know plenty of people that are skinny and don't really have any discipline about what they eat which flies in the face of "fat people are just lazy." Skinny people are lazy too! I think they have something different in their genes that lets them handle a modern diet better than I do. So I simply don't eat a modern diet -- voila, weight lost. The last 10 pounds came off without counting a single calorie and eating as much as I wanted. Not joking.

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post #53
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is some possibility that you eat too much because you are fat. It goes something like this, (details are surely wrong, but just so you get the idea. Google gary taubes for more info): 1. Your body is expecting a certain amount of calories at any point during the day which is either being pumped into your bloodstream from your fat or food in your gut. 2. Your fat doesn't work right, (probably because you eat too…

I'm not saying it's easy, discipline is as tough as you just described. I run every other day for at least 30 minutes, and I try to eat healthy. I have weighed more, and i have weighed less. Not morbidly obese, but my doctor would prefer I dropped 20. I have found stress is a factor.

(Friendly HN advice: if you want to lose weight, have a read of Liam Rosen's guide[1], I personally recommend it. Running isn't the most effective way to do it.)

http://www.liamrosen.com/fitness.html

Re: How Western Diets Are Making The World Sick

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post #37
post #30

I've been overweight my entire life, and honestly, I blame the Surgeon General in the 1980s for telling my mom that feeding me low fat foods (which end up being high carb foods) will make me skinny. Everyone believed this cargo cult "science" and it has had a devastating impact for hundreds of millions of people.

I'm overweight and I blame myself for eating too much and not getting enough exercise.

The secret is to stop driving and walk/cycle more.

Re: How Western Diets Are Making The World Sick

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post #50

And the flip side of the coin. "How western diets are driving the next stage of evolution in humans"

You mean that people able to resist or live longer under such a diet will survive and that we will evolve to support such a died? If so, you are probably wrong. It is not about survival it is about the ability to pass down genes. If the diet's problems appear later in life, it will not have a direct impact. It may have an indirect impact.

Actually, I think he means that the people who eat the Western diet will eventually die out.
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