I still dont understand why Slack is popular when there is a free open source solution matrix/riot/element that works just as well.
never underestimate how many people will use something purely because it has a pretty UI :)
Riot is now Element
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
It fails the two syllable rule. All the best companies/bands/groups have two syllable names. If by chance a company succeeds without the two syllable name, a two syllable pseudonym will materialize.
>a two syllable pseudonym will materialize Hmm, which sounds better? "Let's chat on the 'ment" "Let's chat on Ele" I'm trying to guess which will get used. I'm thinking the second one. Or maybe just drop the 'e' and say "Let's talk on el'ment"? That might confuse some Europeans though, maybe just "e'ment" is better.
Ele sounds pretty good to me, pronounced like Elly.
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#243No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…
You're allowed to dislike the name. I like the new name. If you're pissed about Element, you must be absolutely livid about Apple.
> pissed
I didn't get that from the comment. Did we read the same comment?
> Apple
Now you're just comparing Apples to Elements. One is a general purpose device, and the other has a specific purpose, providing an opportunity to elude to that purpose through the name.
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
And you're missing the point that "Apple" is a decades-old brand that everyone knows. It doesn't need to be explained to anyone now. Element is a new chat app that people won't have heard of and thus does need to be explained, and the "Element" name isn't helping in that regard because it's extremely generic and has nothing to do with messaging. Even worse, it has bad name collision problems; I just Googled "element…
I was talking about when Apple originally came about, not Apple today.
Wasn’t it originally Apple Computer?
Re: Riot is now Element
#245One problem with "Element" is its potential for confusion with other, similarly-named tech products, such as:
- Adobe Photoshop Elements
- Adobe Premiere Elements
- Elementor, one of the more popular WordPress plugins
- Element UI, a Vue 2.0 based component library
- Elements XS, GIS-centric asset management software
There's even an IT company named Element Technologies: https://www.ele-ment.com/ (no affiliation).
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#246I still dont understand why Slack is popular when there is a free open source solution matrix/riot/element that works just as well.
Sales and marketing. Also, the cost of Slack is insignificant to most companies and most others start by using the free tier, so the price isn't even a consideration. The open source selling point is also irrelevant to most people outside of HN.
Stress on most in that, I found out about the name change due to actively rolling it out to replace slack.
Charging that sort of price for just chat felt wrong, so we transitioned to keep message history.
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#247No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…
Whatsapp can be an extremely confusing name for non-native English speakers. I'm from Spain and I think 90% of the time I see it written in Spain, it's written wrong (wassap, whasapp, wuatsapp, whatsap, watsap, wuassap, wuassapp, whatsup, watsup, etc.). Sometimes a phonetically "transliterated" version is used instead, like "guasap", which I find more tolerable because at least then it becomes a genuine Spanish word,…
QuepasApp?
Re: Riot is now Element
#248Not to be confused with element.ai
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#249Awesome! And now that RiotX is out of beta, please divert those resources to Element iOS because it _desperately_ needs some UX love.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
And you're missing the point that "Apple" is a decades-old brand that everyone knows. It doesn't need to be explained to anyone now. Element is a new chat app that people won't have heard of and thus does need to be explained, and the "Element" name isn't helping in that regard because it's extremely generic and has nothing to do with messaging. Even worse, it has bad name collision problems; I just Googled "element…
I was talking about when Apple originally came about, not Apple today.
And for every one success story along the vein of Apple, there's hundreds of failure stories (caused by a variety of reasons). Having a good name gives you a better chance than having a bad name. You're just exhibiting survivorship/selection bias here.
And anyway, they were known as "Apple Computer" back then. See e.g. this ad: https://i.redd.it/f1o3uol6q2dx.jpg The name is not at all ambiguous. It was good branding relative to its competitors.
