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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by _8j50 »

rglullis wrote: post #96
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

Hey, you again! I wanted to reach you after the discussion about how you were willing to pay a premium for a service if using crypto was an option. Now, giving that you also have issues with the name, May I interest you in Matrix/XMPP hosting provider that you can pay with crypto and invite your friends, called communick ? https://communick.com

Hey, I remember seeing your reply, I didn't want to provide contact info on a public forum, and I have developed a severe allergy to email.

I am very intetested in paying for the product you linked, so long as I don't need email. I will support your product, even with imperfections so long as you remain attentive to your user's needs (hopefully being a paid product helps in that area)

And for anyone else reading, I became an instant fan of matrix/riot/element because the only thing I needed to sign up to the matrix.org home server was username,password and pass a captcha! No email! Same with HN(minus captcha). If this wasn't but a petty annoyance compared to all the real problems of the world, I would be protesting and holding flag burnings with RFC2822 on the flag! (We all have pet peeves :) )

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by gregoriol »

_8j50 wrote: post #100
teekert wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tbh, I don't see any problems with the name? I like it.

May I ask if you are a native english user and what country? Perhaps the branding works for EU markets? Element has nothing to do with messaging. In my example,signal has something to do with communication(signaling),telegram is obvious, whatsapp is what you say when you talk to someone like 'hello'(what is up?). Element sounds like something I hear about in a chemistry class. It also has to be catchy. At least Riot…

Does "whatsapp" sound like messaging? or "Skype"? or "Slack"? or "IRC"?

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by hellofunk »

shash7 wrote: post #11

Do these people care about search results? With a name like that, most people will have a difficult time searching for element related stuff.

It doesn’t matter. For example, another very common dictionary word is “Apple“.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by reilly3000 »

Anybody who is questioning the need for the a name change in the first place should read up on the story of Piwik, Piwik Pro, and Matomo. Hostile forks are real, and they are fantastic messes.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by smichel17 »

narrowtux wrote: post #67
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could they trademark Element though? I mean it is a very general term.

We tried to trademark Element and another generic abbreviation as a combined name and even that was not possible. The german trademark bureau just sent us printed wikipedia articles of both words as "proof" that it's not possible.

I'm cracking up right now imagining that this was the only thing you received in reply.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by bartread »

srg0 wrote: post #44
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

looking at you, git

I've always wondered about that one too. I mean naming is a minefield, but using a name that's well known to be at least mildly offensive in a particular dialect of English is probably something I would have chosen to avoid. I suppose at least they didn't call it "prck", "twt", or "cnt". One has to be grateful for small mercies.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by jeffhuys »

hellofunk wrote: post #114
shash7 wrote: post #11

Do these people care about search results? With a name like that, most people will have a difficult time searching for element related stuff.

It doesn’t matter. For example, another very common dictionary word is “Apple“.

Sure, but Apple started before the internet (became big). When Google started, "Apple" probably brought up Apple Computers in the first few results.

Starting out with a common word that already has close to a billion results on Google requires a lot more effort.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by narrowtux »

smichel17 wrote: post #116
narrowtux wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We tried to trademark Element and another generic abbreviation as a combined name and even that was not possible. The german trademark bureau just sent us printed wikipedia articles of both words as "proof" that it's not possible.

I'm cracking up right now imagining that this was the only thing you received in reply.

haha of course not, but that was essentially their argument for the denial.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by LunaSea »

_8j50 wrote: post #111
rglullis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, you again! I wanted to reach you after the discussion about how you were willing to pay a premium for a service if using crypto was an option. Now, giving that you also have issues with the name, May I interest you in Matrix/XMPP hosting provider that you can pay with crypto and invite your friends, called communick ? https://communick.com

Hey, I remember seeing your reply, I didn't want to provide contact info on a public forum, and I have developed a severe allergy to email. I am very intetested in paying for the product you linked, so long as I don't need email. I will support your product, even with imperfections so long as you remain attentive to your user's needs (hopefully being a paid product helps in that area) And for anyone else reading, I b…

In places like the European Union, it is illegal for example to provide subscription payments without notifying customers before payment renewal (which requires an email address).
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