This is a project that wants to execute on this idea, but using beaches instead of croplands https://projectvesta.org/
Potential large-scale CO2 removal via enhanced rock weathering with croplands
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That's some moral arguments you are using here, it's all nice and well in a debate but it's not moral arguments which will help in any way the humanity to fight global warming. Yes we do need technology and we need it quickly before the problem worsen even further. Even global agreements like the Paris one are built upon having such technology, no amount of shaming and moral argument will help in achieving anything.
I disagree. We've had all necessary technology all along. It's exactly the lack of moral responsibility that's holding us back. Fighting climate change is more akin to the civil rights movement than to the Manhattan project.
There's just been a months-long Europe-wide experiment re reducing emissions which should yield some interesting data, and the early reports do seem to support what you're saying.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's some moral arguments you are using here, it's all nice and well in a debate but it's not moral arguments which will help in any way the humanity to fight global warming. Yes we do need technology and we need it quickly before the problem worsen even further. Even global agreements like the Paris one are built upon having such technology, no amount of shaming and moral argument will help in achieving anything.
I disagree. We've had all necessary technology all along. It's exactly the lack of moral responsibility that's holding us back. Fighting climate change is more akin to the civil rights movement than to the Manhattan project.
I don’t disagree that we have the technology to emit less pollution simply by doing less (the moral decisions in this hypothetical), but the issue is that most (perhaps nearly all) people in the world don’t agree with your morality.
This makes technologies which bypass this problem far more feasible, even if they’re further out from actually solving the problem. They might have the potential to get there, whereas morality probably doesn’t.
Agriculture is a major source of pollution for example, but it’s how everyone eats. The fact that most people in the world are poor makes this problem extremely hard to solve... How do you argue morality with someone who is just trying to feed themselves? If you want them to use less fertilizer, irrigate less, ship their product shorter distances, etc for the sake of climate change, well... Good luck. Now try telling them to stop driving, or use less electricity, or...
Re: Potential large-scale CO2 removal via enhanced rock weathering with croplands
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's some moral arguments you are using here, it's all nice and well in a debate but it's not moral arguments which will help in any way the humanity to fight global warming. Yes we do need technology and we need it quickly before the problem worsen even further. Even global agreements like the Paris one are built upon having such technology, no amount of shaming and moral argument will help in achieving anything.
I disagree. We've had all necessary technology all along. It's exactly the lack of moral responsibility that's holding us back. Fighting climate change is more akin to the civil rights movement than to the Manhattan project.
Using this moral responsibility argument we can stop Covid19 in a fortnight and get world peace overnight.
I'd rather wear a mask and have realistic expectations.
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#16I don't like those kind of projects because they sort of try to bank on the global warming problem with inventions and new things, except this doesn't work, because CO2 is just too hard to eliminate. It's the penultimate problem of industrialized capitalism: "we have a problem and we need to MAKE something new to solve this". But the problem was always the excess of industry in the first place. The solution is simple…
We solved the nitrogen problem in food production with technology. We'll solve the CO2 emission problem with technology as well.
I'm with Captain Kirk. I don't believe in no win situations.
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#17Another silver bullet that will fail
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#18I don't like those kind of projects because they sort of try to bank on the global warming problem with inventions and new things, except this doesn't work, because CO2 is just too hard to eliminate. It's the penultimate problem of industrialized capitalism: "we have a problem and we need to MAKE something new to solve this". But the problem was always the excess of industry in the first place. The solution is simple…
>I believe that in the future, violence will occur to stop co2 emissions by force,
By whom? All the most effective military forces in the world belong to the industrialised nations that are doing the emissions.
Do you think Tokelau is going to land their marines in South China and Houston to shut down production?
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#19I don't like those kind of projects because they sort of try to bank on the global warming problem with inventions and new things, except this doesn't work, because CO2 is just too hard to eliminate. It's the penultimate problem of industrialized capitalism: "we have a problem and we need to MAKE something new to solve this". But the problem was always the excess of industry in the first place. The solution is simple…
"the penultimate problem"
you seem to think "penultimate" is a more grandiose way of saying "ultimate", but it's not. it means "second to last".
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. We've had all necessary technology all along. It's exactly the lack of moral responsibility that's holding us back. Fighting climate change is more akin to the civil rights movement than to the Manhattan project.
I don’t disagree that we have the technology to emit less pollution simply by doing less (the moral decisions in this hypothetical), but the issue is that most (perhaps nearly all) people in the world don’t agree with your morality. This makes technologies which bypass this problem far more feasible, even if they’re further out from actually solving the problem. They might have the potential to get there, whereas mor…
> How do you argue morality with someone who is just trying to feed themselves?
Don't change the subject. I am not arguing morality with someone who's trying to feed themselves. I am arguing morality with someone who flies to tech conferences several times a year, drives around in a huge SUV, and screams bloody murder when someone else proposes maybe a carbon tax or something. And then blames it all on poor people.
Poor people are not the problem. Rich people are the problem.
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