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Post by st1ck »

m0zg wrote: post #475
arminiusreturns wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Stop trusting outlets. Find journalists with integrity and follow everything they do, no matter the outlet.

I basically just trust two at this point: Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi. Both biased to the left, but both are explicit about it, and neither would lie to suit a narrative, unlike the rest of their colleagues.

By "biased to the left" I guess you mean they support socialism a la Bernie Sanders? So far I enjoyed listening to Greenwald's podcast (System Update), except it was rather weird hearing him casually saying that annexation of West Bank is worse than annexation of Crimea in 2014 because in Crimea almost everyone wanted to join Russia anyway (compared to the West Bank, where no one wants to join Israel). That's not quite a neutral statement (about Crimea), at least without a proper source.

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Post by hoteltree »

iateanapple wrote: post #551
some-guy wrote: post #535

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As I said: they _literally_ said, "There are too many Chinese and Indians" in the Bay Area. That's a no go. That is not the same as having subjective internal biases about an African American candidate.

They seem the same to me? You are saying you wouldn’t hire them because they wouldn’t fit into your work culture right? Or are you saying you wouldn’t hire them because you don’t like their beliefs?

Those two things are not the same.

One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races.

The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in? For what reason do they not fit in? Is it because of their race or something else.

Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by tinco »

tinco wrote: post #352
eric_b wrote: post #211

The "orthodoxy" the author writes about is real. I am a skeptic and cynic by nature. In my experience "common wisdom" is usually anything but. In software and technology I've found when you eschew dogma and "best practices" you more often than not get better results. But, in 2020 you cannot question or be skeptical of the "progressive" agenda. Merely hinting that you are not fully bought in will get you labeled as a…

I don't read the WP nor the NYT, do you have an example of an article in either of them that is a caricature of leftist news? My main news source (besides HN) is the Dutch public news, which is described as left-wing, but to me it feels very objective. I find it hard to judge if that means I'm just leftist and don't see what they're leaving out, or that the right is in an alternative reality.

Someone responded with a quite compelling example of sensationalized news that touched racism, but then deleted their post. Most notable was that first the story emphasised races of some perpetrators harassing a black girl. But then later when the story turned out not to be true the NYT published a rectification in which race was not mentioned at all.

I can see how that works to slant the readers view of the world. I'll be careful of this, though there is little overly sensationalized news in my feed.

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Post by fermienrico »

mikece wrote: post #3

"Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at [the New York Times]: that truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else." This is a very key point, and what are the consequences of "informing everyone of a truth" that doesn't accurately reflect -- of even contradicts! -- reality? Harm to the reput…

> "informing everyone of a truth" that doesn't accurately reflect -- of even contradicts! -- reality?

Isn't Truth == Reality by definition?

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Post by gregimba »

orwin wrote: post #315
banads wrote: post #282

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>How do I tell the difference between an honest citizen journalist, a propagandist, a liar, a lunatic, or a troll? Critical thinking skills, independent research, and open dialogue

> Critical thinking skills A lot of people stay at the dunning-Kruger peak on that for a very long time and over-evaluate their (i for sure did for several years at least). > independent research Those who have the time to do this for half the semi-important issues in the world are lucky(like most of of on HN i think). And i started 2 month ago informing myself about climate change and what does it mean to stop using…

> I'm still not certain about anything.

You captured a facet of climate change I feel few can properly articulate. Modeling and digesting complex systems is incredibly difficult and at this point I share the same position.

It seems to be we have no clue how severe the impacts of climate change will be but based on gut feelings we are in for the same problem as technology development.

> We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run.[0]

[0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Amara)

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Post by dang »

kziemio wrote: post #112

"truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else" This is the primary problem with woke ideologues. They pretend to know the definitive answers to problems that have plagued societies for hundreds and thousands of years. Anyone who disagree with their answers at all is "problematic" at best but much more likely deeply racist or s…

Please stop creating accounts to do political battle on HN. Doing that will eventually get your main account banned as well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

0x8BADF00D wrote: post #42
kup0 wrote: post #26

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Yeah hard to take seriously someone who was "masquerading as an opponent of viewpoint intolerance" while simultaneously being intolerant of any viewpoints that aren't pro-Israel

Whoa, cool it with the Anti-Semitism there buddy! /s

We've banned this account for repeatedly making flamewar posts and ignoring our requests to stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

asdf21 wrote: post #589
joshuamorton wrote: post #235

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An academic source that can describe a pre-propoosed methodology and doesn't have the appearance of being explicitly anti-CNN. You can't seriously think that "the only people we can believe are people who openly call CNN hacks". That's just an admission that you only believe people who agree with you. Put another way: there was a recent article on HN about using sources who you had uncertainty about, because those so…

Lol, what? So were you able to find a "academic source" that audited the media in this way?

We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments. Not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by randomsearch »

AxiomCloNe wrote: post #579
JeremyNT wrote: post #572

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> They have 1,600 journalists last year that were sent to 150 countries [1]. What other organization is doing anything like that effort to gather facts around the world? Reuters [0], for one, which boasts "2500 journalists and 600 photojournalists." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters A key thing to understand about the editorial / news hybrids like the NYT, CNN, or Fox News is that they're selling multiple product…

what are some of these outlets you know of? I've been trying to ironclad my news sources after getting into Chomsky recently but have only found Democracy Now! and Novara media, as well as a couple other small speciality podcasts that seem potentially good. Would appreciate pointers.

It’s been posted here a thousand times, but the Economist and the FT are good starting points.

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Post by randomsearch »

bloopernova wrote: post #469
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #27

> Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I…

The newspapers don't know what to do with themselves. In my opinion, they're following because we're in a period of flux or change in our society, driven by the massive impact of the internet and the barriers to publication being practically zero now. Because there are so many voices shouting out right now, it's impossible to find the ones who are speaking "the truth" when that was something defined by a handful of e…

I think that’s too pessimistic. If it weren’t for Twitter and Facebook then yes the environment for journalism would be challenging, but we wouldn’t be in the dire straits for debate that we’ve found ourselves at. Notable that this crisis did not happen pre-Facebook.
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