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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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> Their political model has the potential to spread around the world. Care to expand that thought? I don't particularly see how their communist-capitalism system would be ever accepted by EU or NA.

No... But many African nations are on the rise. They also have significant influence on other countries in Asia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

These infrastructure plans usually come with some kind of hand over of power to China.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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post #198

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> And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? If your argument here is “who cares if we can trust the hardware if the encryption works” I’d encourage you to think about how you know that the encryption “works” if you can’t trust the hardware. A lot of the encryption is out of necessity far removed from the end user, it’s not exactly PGP over email. And everything is never encrypted, the operations…

There isn’t really an argument, only a question. As in, a basic tenet of cryptography is that we can communicate over unsafe channels, so long as we trust the cipher, the final recipient and our own hardware. Maybe I don’t trust the 5G but I do trust the cipher and my computer, is that ok then? As for metadata, is there no cryptographic schemes that make metadata extraction impossible? I’m thinking like with Covid tr…

Data headers, Routing, Physical Location, and some kind of user / device identifier (e.g. Hardware ID); would already make an incredibly powerful data set. And those are things that governments around the world mandate that ISPs must log for law enforcement activities. If it's logable, one must assume that any bad actor with a backdoor can obtain a copy too.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Look I don't Dang either. I feel like he nukes all my class war against the rich posts, but you have to realize I have personally accused of him fostering a white nationalist site for promoting assholes like you and also for hiding all my pro-communist comments. So only one of us can be right, is dang a commie or nationalist?....or maybe everyone is complex and not entirely composed of a single ideology and also he w…

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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post #401

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Internet users are a thousand (actually probably more like a hundred thousand) times too quick to jump to such insidious but exciting conclusions. Having spent countless hours investigating such things I can tell you confidently that the overwhelming explanation is the boring and obvious one, the one Mr. Occam will give if you ask: people just disagree. People are biased toward underestimating how much legitimate dis…

Does HN have anything like Twitter or Facebook to detect organized network of sock puppets?

I don't know what they do so I can't say. We certainly have lots of code dedicated to such things.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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post #407

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The idea of a total moderation log comes up from time to time: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . I think it would be a mistake—it would drain our resources while convincing no one. People who see "every" comment they disagree with "always" at the top, and "every" comment they disagree with "always" flagged and removed, are not looking objectively. I don't mean to pick on you personally…

Does it mean every thread that is downranked by moderator or superuser will have your comment in it that will show up in search results visible to everyone in the community? Or are there threads that are promoted or demoted silently?

It does not mean that. HN is a curated, moderated site; it always has been. Moderators do lots of things that aren't commented.

There isn't any class of things we do that is secret, though.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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All providers had their infamy moment at some point, leaving a backdoor behind. Maybe for spying, maybe because QA failed. Huawei is on the US radar but somehow when Cisco left a backdoor on some routers it was "just a mistake". Every country is guilty of stabbing in the back others (occasionally or all the time), it has been the case for centuries and is not likely to change. I am French, we do not have our own tech…

I've wondered how EU people feel about things like this. Euros have been inundated with "Americana" for the last 40 years or so. They watch TV shows about Americans, movies about Americans. They use American social media networks. It's like a culture-overload like USA is always "in your face". USA never had any problem with Skype as a Danish company being used by a significant number of Americans. But TikTok, a Chinese company, is stirring up national security issues.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai Can you though? Gui Minhai was a Hong Kong bookseller who had become a Swedish citizen. He was kidnapped while in Thailand and was moved to China. There he was denied consular access.

That seems very similar to what a certain US citizen that now lives in Russia almost had happen to them.

The US certainly flirts with this kind of politics too.

However:

- Snowden was an American citizen. Gui Minhai is Swedish.

- Snowden didn't get kidnapped abroad. The possibility seemed real but, for whatever reason, that line did not actually get crossed.

I certainly wouldn't defend the US in this (let's not pretend that the US has a good reputation regarding world politics). But the things the US does pale in comparison what China does.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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I strongly disagree. If you care enough about an issue to repeatedly go outside during a pandemic and protest, then you are not ignoring it. The set of 'Westerners' does not exclude the protesters.

_You_ aren't ignoring it - your representative have been ignoring it (and effectively and mostly, still are; they're just making a bit of noise in the hope that the protest goes away.)

I'm not sure why you think I'm American.

The group that was being attacked was something like 'Westerners who criticize China' (I can't find the exact quote since the OP is no longer visible to me). I'm part of that group and that is why I replied.

Your point that "they're just making a bit of noise in the hope that the protest goes away" is true regarding the establishment. I don't see how anyone would disagree with that.

But we have a right to vote and a right to loudly voice our disagreement. And that's different from China. Right now in HK the government is now basically saying that voting against legislation proposed by the establishment 'might be' a violation of the national security law. That's insane.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#440

All providers had their infamy moment at some point, leaving a backdoor behind. Maybe for spying, maybe because QA failed. Huawei is on the US radar but somehow when Cisco left a backdoor on some routers it was "just a mistake". Every country is guilty of stabbing in the back others (occasionally or all the time), it has been the case for centuries and is not likely to change. I am French, we do not have our own tech…

I've wondered how EU people feel about things like this. Euros have been inundated with "Americana" for the last 40 years or so. They watch TV shows about Americans, movies about Americans. They use American social media networks. It's like a culture-overload like USA is always "in your face". USA never had any problem with Skype as a Danish company being used by a significant number of Americans. But TikTok, a Chine…

I think the issue is that the United States – for all its faults and Snowden leaks and whatnot – can still be trusted, somewhat, to do the right thing. There clearly are trust issues (for good reasons) but I would sure trust the US gov't more to not install backdoors in equipment private companies deliver to befriended foreign nations.

China, on the other hand, has no clear separation between the state and large private companies, and has a state which does not acknowledge basic human rights in a myriad of ways. Again, the US is not perfect here either, but it sure is better.

Personally, I wish Europeans would use more, well, European equipment for this kind of stuff. This isn't out of some nationalistic sentiment (I have no problems using foreign equipment as such), but given the state of the world's affairs and the direction I fear it might be heading, a strong and independent Europe will probably be more important than ever in the coming decades.

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