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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Total crap;either it is a security risk and it has to be removed yesterday or it is not. 2027 is meaningless.

Deferred action is better than nothing, but yes, I would prefer it happened immediately also.

I have no preference, I am questioning the rationale; if one can use the equipment for 8 more years, then it is safe enough to continue using it.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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I wonder how much of the disagreement is paid-for, to ensure no actual discussion is allowed to break out.

Internet users are a thousand (actually probably more like a hundred thousand) times too quick to jump to such insidious but exciting conclusions. Having spent countless hours investigating such things I can tell you confidently that the overwhelming explanation is the boring and obvious one, the one Mr. Occam will give if you ask: people just disagree. People are biased toward underestimating how much legitimate dis…

It just seems funny that an English-speaking site would have to go into lockdown mode whenever someone insinuates that the CCP is engaging in ethnic cleansing or using its technology to spy on enemies or any of a dozen things it is, in the consensus of all honest people, doing quite openly and brazenly for the candid world to see.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#423

If the protocols used for mobile networks were designed to be secure, most of the infrastructure couldn't do anything worse than a DoS attack. It'd still need some trusted servers for key management, but those could be standard hardware with relatively simple software.

If China can cause a denial of service attack on a country by remotely bricking all the network infrastructure or even slowing it down to a degree, this would still be economically devastating at the least.

Very hypothetical, but it reminds me of Japan at Pearl Harbor adapted to 21st century.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Thanks for the response. If you claim there's no bias, would you be willing to release the full list of posts that have been nudged / downranked from the front page by moderator or trusted users as part of a "HN transparency report"?

Hey dang, Can you do extra work for free, that will be full of uninteresting spam, that no one will ever read, so that I can I win some sort of imaginary war against the CCP/HN boogeyman?

Sarcastic jabs aren't a productive way to add to discussion. The rules of HN state that conversation must get more nuanced as it continues, not less.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Thanks for the response. If you claim there's no bias, would you be willing to release the full list of posts that have been nudged / downranked from the front page by moderator or trusted users as part of a "HN transparency report"?

The idea of a total moderation log comes up from time to time: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . I think it would be a mistake—it would drain our resources while convincing no one. People who see "every" comment they disagree with "always" at the top, and "every" comment they disagree with "always" flagged and removed, are not looking objectively. I don't mean to pick on you personally…

Does it mean every thread that is downranked by moderator or superuser will have your comment in it that will show up in search results visible to everyone in the community? Or are there threads that are promoted or demoted silently?

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Can you present evidence of moderation not having a one sided bias? Every time I see anything critical of the US / Europe / Canada and other liberal democracies it's sitting at the top, no matter how unsubstantiated. While every time there's anything that puts CCP in a bad light there's strong moderation because it's "not interesting" (even though this particular event is objectively very noteworthy in tech world and…

> Can you present evidence of moderation not having a one sided bias? Can you present the evidence of manipulation? The data is in the open.

Can you point to the open dataset that shows which users upvote which content, and which threads are promoted or demoted by moderators or superusers?

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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> If China liberalises tomorrow none of the fundamental issues will change and China will still be a threat to the US. The only thing that will change is that the US will have to find something else in order to label China 'evil'. Cite please. And won't the best way to debunk the "propaganda" be to just liberalize right? So ... everybody is waiting and has been waiting for decades, China should stop making excuses an…

The US destroyed Iranian democracy and replaced it by the Shah, a brutal autocratic leader whose abuse of power and violation of human rights led to the rise of the current far-right Islamic theocracy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta... The US destroyed Bolivia, replacing an elected government that was legally found to be allowed to run, with a far-right nationalist military-backed junta…

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish but the wiki articles you list don't support the point you are making.

The US isn't responsible for the 2019 Bolivan political crisis and certainly didn't destroy Bolivia. I have to believe you are just trolling with language like, "The US destroyed Bolivia". Unless you call supporting the second round of elections (along with the European Union) the cause of the crisis they had. I've been in Bolivia recently, they will be just fine.

Not sure what you are implying wrt the Chilean coup d'état - the US didn't like Salvador Allende but he was overthrown by his own military.

The UK support of the Iranian coup d'etat in the 1950 (post WWII) was due to a conflict with AIOC (a British corporation) and US supported in turn. Not a good look by any means but also not a pattern of machinations as you make it out to be.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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How is democracy working out in Arab spring countries or Eastern European countries? Most westerners have it wrong where they think Democracy --> Economic prosperity, where in fact it's quite the opposite. Economic prosperity --> Strong government --> Democracy. If you don't have a strong state, Democracy (or any political system) just leads to widespread corruption. If you're interested in learning more about how Ch…

You've got it completely backwards. Strong government leads to the corruption of society and a reduction in freedom. If you have weaker government then there is more freedom for everyone and greater economic prosperity.

I'd recommend reading the paper I linked. If you disagree with what the paper says, I'd be happy to discuss!

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#430

Impressive how much power the USA has over UK. It is known that Cisco has backdoors in their routers - and UK politics doesn't care. Now the Trump administration is spreading the rumor that Huawei hardware _might_ have backdoors (when the most plausible actual reason for this warning is to gain the upper hand in the trade war) and England is already putting the wish into action.

UK is in a weird spot now alone in the world out of the EU. The country is essentially for sale. China just needs to make the "right" political donations.

They did try and it wasn't enough. Or as you put it, wasn't the 'right' candidate.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/07/14/lord-brown...

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