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U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Narcissistic populist racists. "It's not me, it's you."

It's too bad populist has become a dirty word, because in theory it sounds great - i.e. democracy.

demagoguery is just beyond the fine line...

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The federal government did use the threat of withdrawal of highway funds to get all 50 states to lower the speed limit to 55.

I'm not sure about that, I've seen many states with 65mph and 75mph highway speed limits ... but you might be thinking about the drinking age, which was raised to 21 years in all states by withdrawing highway funds if they did not pass such laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_...

> I've seen many states with 65mph and 75mph highway speed limits

That's because the law that lowered the limit to 55 was repealed in 1995.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law#199...

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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A well known religious University near me just started offering "in person" (wink wink) classes where attendance would not be taken. I was proud to see it.

Actually, most universities don't take attendance. It's a waste of time, it punishes pro-social behavior (there is no good reason for people feeling sick to go to class), and it's infantilizing. "Attendance required" often means "we will notice if you never attend, and then will feel less bad failing you if you don't do your homework either".

I'm about to graduate from UWaterloo now and have only had 2 courses with attendance - language courses. I really liked the option of going to classes when I wanted as I found that end up being on my laptop during class anyway.

Two CS courses(1st year) had a clicker thing going on where you had to answer questions and it'd be worth 5% of the grade. Some courses also had a key chunk of info taken out of the pdfs so as to incentivize going to class. I definitely wasn't a big fan, but it wasn't hard to learn about the topics from other university's notes available online

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Yeah, in some ways this was the perfect outcome for that kind of posturing. Anecdotally, it seems to me that an actual drop in international student numbers would likely have hurt colleges in Republican-controlled states worse than Democrat-controlled ones. American students armed with student loans would still flock to top universities to make up for the international student shortfall, and I can't think of a top 10…

Harvard and MIT don’t come to mind? (Mass. Gov Charlie Baker is a Republican)

I think those count as "blue states with moderate Republican governors," in quadrifoliate's mind. Very recently, Illinois the state trumped Chicago the city and successfully elected Bruce Rauner (Republican businessman) as governor in 2015. The result was the Illinois Budget Impasse. [1] Rauner was swiftly succeeded by a blue Governor in the next election.

I think the above poster's point is states like Massachusetts (Deval Patrick->Charlie Baker) or Illinois tend to zigzag between blue governors and red governors, which shows they aren't "Republican controlled" like truly red states.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Budget_Impasse

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Yeah, in some ways this was the perfect outcome for that kind of posturing. Anecdotally, it seems to me that an actual drop in international student numbers would likely have hurt colleges in Republican-controlled states worse than Democrat-controlled ones. American students armed with student loans would still flock to top universities to make up for the international student shortfall, and I can't think of a top 10…

I wanted to kick out the students but I wasn't able to convince the deep state so re-elect me isn't the most compelling campaign message under any scenario.

Checking ABC, CNN, NBC... this news reported on front page. But there is one major network where it doesn’t appear.

So it’s probably winning if you don’t ever hear about the loss.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Elementary school politics. This would be a hilarious sitcom if it weren't for all the thousands of people getting hurt by this dysfunctional joke of a government.

A part of me believes this is more feature and less bug of the government. "Blame the disfunction, not the leadership thats elected every 2 years".

How is this not a bug? A straightforward patch would be the introduction of FPTP and moving the executive role from the office of the head-of-state to a body controlled by congress.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Yeah, in some ways this was the perfect outcome for that kind of posturing. Anecdotally, it seems to me that an actual drop in international student numbers would likely have hurt colleges in Republican-controlled states worse than Democrat-controlled ones. American students armed with student loans would still flock to top universities to make up for the international student shortfall, and I can't think of a top 10…

Setting aside blue states with moderate Republican governors, I see: 1/10 (Duke) 5/20 (Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U) 15/45 (Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U, Emory, Ann Arbor, Wake Forest, UVa, Georgia Tech, UNC-CH, UF, Case Western, College of William and Mary, Tulane) I doubt the split would be at the top 10 because they're simply too small to absorb all the domestic demand. I'm not sure how…

NC and VA both have Democrat governors.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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FWIW, it is helpful to understand that this isn't ICE making policy randomly but in fact just enforcing the regulations surrounding student visas. The existing regulations were relaxed in March but the underlying regulatory idea is that you don't need a visa for online education and online education is not sufficient for a visa to be issued. I tend to think that it was premature to rescind the temporary waiving of th…

(AINAL) No I don't think you're correct, which is what I (and others) were trying to explain. Which is also why MIT and Harvard (and many other universities) sued ICE. Here, copy paste from another comment: > 19. Plaintiffs have standing to bring this case. Defendants’ actions will cause an imminent, concrete, and irreparable risk to Plaintiffs’ ability to achieve their educational missions unless halted by this Cour…

I tend to agree with you but I don't think your argument contradicts my statement. You are basically arguing that the health emergency still exists and the exemption should remain. I think that is a defensible argument, but that doesn't mean that the underlying logic (you don't need a visa to take an online course load) is invalid. If the health argument went away you would still be left with that underlying logic.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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A part of me believes this is more feature and less bug of the government. "Blame the disfunction, not the leadership thats elected every 2 years".

How is this not a bug? A straightforward patch would be the introduction of FPTP and moving the executive role from the office of the head-of-state to a body controlled by congress.

FPTP tends to lead to the same heavily divided two major party politics you already have, it just avoids the possibility of winning with Something like MMP is probably a better system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_repr...). Baby steps though.
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