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Post by iateanapple »

some-guy wrote: post #535
iateanapple wrote: post #531

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I expect them to be judged on their merits of the job, not their country of origin or visa status. So do I and so do the vast majority of people who want less immigration. > and rejecting them for that is not "McCarthyism". To be fair to the parent - it would be if you tried to make sure they weren’t hired anywhere. You were making a biased and snap judgement about a candidate - but that happens a lot in the interv…

As I said: they _literally_ said, "There are too many Chinese and Indians" in the Bay Area. That's a no go. That is not the same as having subjective internal biases about an African American candidate.

They seem the same to me?

You are saying you wouldn’t hire them because they wouldn’t fit into your work culture right?

Or are you saying you wouldn’t hire them because you don’t like their beliefs?

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Post by tootie »

ignoramceisblis wrote: post #529
tootie wrote: post #514

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Maybe not racist per se, but Cotton specifically blamed antifa which was a deliberate and calculated lie intended to blame imaginary radical leftists on activities that were mostly being our by garden variety robbers unassociated with any political group. I also think that public sentiment was swayed by cable news coverage that made the looting seem far worse than it was.

"No true Scotsman." Really? And I'm not sure how bad you think the rioting and looting was, but in Minnesota (mostly Minneapolis) alone, the economic loss is already estimated at $500 million dollars, with over one thousand businesses affected, and many were destroyed. Source: https://emmer.house.gov/_cache/files/b/c/bc0f4be4-4618-4786-...

That's not No True Scotsman. It's fact. The FBI did not pin any illegal activity on antifa. Cotton had absolutely no evidence to back his claim. While I obviously don't know everyone who participated in looting, in NYC where I live the looters were nowhere near the organized protests.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-no-intelligence-antifa-w...

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Post by badrequest »

rukittenme wrote: post #526
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #510

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>merely hinting that you are not fully bought in will get you labeled as a racist, or even worse these days, a "Conservative". oh my god . the HORROR . People call you names! > [the WP ] has moved so far left as to become almost a caricature of a "news" paper maybe you should get out a bit more. there are other traditions of journalism (notably in the UK) that do not cling to this "noble ideal" of "objectivity". when…

> oh my god. the HORROR. People call you names! It is a horror when a private political opinion can get you fired, de-platformed, and removed from society.

If your political opinion is private, how does it ever surface in a way that leaves you vulnerable to these consequences?

Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by Tiktaalik »

"My company wouldn't fire people who posted mean emojis about me so I've been forced to quit" wah wah.

So you failed to cancel your coworkers, therefore you decry being cancelled. (except you weren't you resigned)

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Post by tux1968 »

badrequest wrote: post #554
rukittenme wrote: post #526

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> oh my god. the HORROR. People call you names! It is a horror when a private political opinion can get you fired, de-platformed, and removed from society.

If your political opinion is private, how does it ever surface in a way that leaves you vulnerable to these consequences?

Because our political opinions inform our life choices and overt public actions. They can be deduced without us posting our personal manifesto.

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Post by QuotedForTruth »

megaman821 wrote: post #314
some-guy wrote: post #109

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The woke-left isn't going around arresting people, nor do they have much (if any) influence in high levels of government.

They are bullying and harassing people, and trying to lump that in with "criticism". To make it worse, when they get called out on it, the left goes to victim blaming. It is just gross, like when people point out what a girl was wearing in a sexual assault case. You can criticize, you can ignore and you can boycott. Instead too many people (look at the response to JK Rowling) are threatening death and rape. Or are ha…

The vast majority of the criticism Rowling has received was not death or rape threats. Why do you ascribe that behavior to the entire "woke-left" (I'm assuming thats who you meant by "they"). Do you not think that targets of the right ever receive rape or death threats? These are not characteristic of the left. There is not some "woke-left" governing body directing people and asking some to give cover so that others can issue rape threats. Why do you choose to focus on them exclusively?

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Post by acituan »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #478
acituan wrote: post #288

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> They have 1,600 journalists last year that were sent to 150 countries ... to gather facts around the world Journalism is not our fact gathering apparatus. It is our sense making and relevance deciding apparatus based on those facts. If we don't have good journalists providing those functions, we are left with the ersatz, AI based versions to decide what to pay attention to; twitter's, youtube's recommendation algor…

>Journalism is not our fact gathering apparatus. Well then what is? I used to live next door to a journalist - by which I mean someone who went out into the world (haiti, israel/west bank, US immigration policy) and asked questions and collected facts. They didn't always get everything right, and their work seemed to encourage a deliberate sort of fence-sitting with respect to the issues and places that they covered,…

Absolutely what your neighbor did is crucial, but it is not a waterfall process. The problem space of "gathering facts" is virtually infinite, means relevance decisions has to start while deciding on what to gather more facts on. It is an iterative process that says "based on these facts we found, we investigated for these further facts and here why it all was important to promote them to public attention".

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

rukittenme wrote: post #526
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>merely hinting that you are not fully bought in will get you labeled as a racist, or even worse these days, a "Conservative". oh my god . the HORROR . People call you names! > [the WP ] has moved so far left as to become almost a caricature of a "news" paper maybe you should get out a bit more. there are other traditions of journalism (notably in the UK) that do not cling to this "noble ideal" of "objectivity". when…

> oh my god. the HORROR. People call you names! It is a horror when a private political opinion can get you fired, de-platformed, and removed from society.

but you didn't say that. you said you could get labelled.

so instead you want to discuss

1) firings: which firings? people have been fired for political reasons for millenia. do we recall mccarthyism? of course, that doesn't make it right, but i'd much prefer to see a list of actual firings and an explanation of how they were not done in line with pre-existing policy by the employer.

2) de-platformed: so you don't to speak at the student union because the people there don't want to listen to you? cry me a river. you have a right to free speech, but not free speech on any private property that you choose.

3) removed from society? seriously? like, vanished? like disappeared? in the USA? please, name some names.

[ note: i worked to avoid whataboutism here, but there's no shortage of cases of progressives/liberals/leftists/radicals being fired or "de-platformed" for their speech ]

Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by elicash »

berberous wrote: post #204
elicash wrote: post #84

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There's little evidence this is the case. This post could be summarized in one sentence: Bari Weiss wanted people fired because they called her names and the NYT refused, so she quit and threatened legal action.

She never said she wanted people fired, but that management should tell employees to not harass other employees with ax emojis in a slack. That seems like a totally reasonable standard to implement.

She never said that "management should tell" employees anything. It's intentionally vague and not at all clear the NYT didn't take that action, if the story is even totally true, and it's just an open-ended legal threat.
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