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Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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> It costs more to mint them than they're worth. Isn't this largely irrelevant since the producer of pennies makes up for this when they print any other form of currency? > But the fact that this country can't even figure out how to stop making a coin that is worthless tells me that it is probably asking a little too much to expect that the federal government can competently manage anything as complex as healthcare o…

If we assume that it takes 2 seconds to pick up a penny, and you were to pick up pennies continuously, then you would be “earning” only $18 / hour.

So? That's higher than minimum wage. Plenty of people on HN may find it worth their time to pinch pennies.

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All I want is for all paper cash to be plastic so I can wash the covid off of it. I support getting rid of the penny, but I feel that plastic cash would make more of a difference. CGP Grey has a wonderful video on the penny, he is my favorite YouTuber. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UT04p5f7U

"Paper" money is actually a cloth composite, which can be washed.

It can also be ironed. If you have a bunch of crumpled bills and you wish they took up less space and were easier to handle, iron them.

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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This is similar to how HFT firms make a profit. Except it's generally less than a penny but it's per share per transaction (trade). We can thank the Sub-Penny Pricing Rule of Regulation NMS for this feature. An order for 1000 shares of XYZ stock that is front-run for half a penny per share is $50 dollars profit. Rinse and repeat.

>We can thank the Sub-Penny Pricing Rule of Regulation NMS for this feature Are you sure? I did a quick search and came up with this >One of the rules in Regulation NMS is a new Sub-Penny Rule: “which establishes a uniform quoting increment of no less than one penny for quotations in NMS stocks equal to or greater than $1.00 per share to promote greater price transparency and consistency. . . . In particular, Rule 61…

The NBBO ensures you get the best price available on public exchanges. Public exchanges are not the only places where stocks are traded.

If the best price of a stock on exchanges is $25.00, but an HFT can buy it at $24.99 on a dark pool, they could buy it cheaper and sell it to you, and pocket the difference. When they pay your broker for the privilege of doing so, it's called payment for order flow. As a retail trader you have no visibility or access to dark pools.

Aside from dark pools, NBBO updates have latency which may be exploited:

http://strategicreasoning.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ec3...

Not matter how they do it, the fact that they are willing to pay your broker to execute your order is proof that they have some way to make money from your orders.

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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Good point. Binary money is ideal. But you can get arrested (or shot if Black) for trying to spend a two dollar bill in America. Man arrested for using $2 bills at Best Buy - clip from The Two Dollar Bill Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS3yjfefUD8 A $2 Bill At Taco Bell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbp-UyLH2ng Police Involved After Student Tries To Buy Lunch With $2 Bill https://www.forbes.com/sites/k…

Thanks for sharing these links. I think the second video was the most enlightening. Even the security guard had the insight to think "why would someone fake a $2 bill?".

Wait until some jokester comes into your store with an uncut sheet and a pair of scissors.

https://catalog.usmint.gov/2-32-note-sheet-B9488.html?cgid=u...

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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But they rip when wet. They also rip when dry! British, Canadian, Australian bank notes can't be ripped when wet or dry - they're polymer.

Thankfully, you can exchange them even if they're totally torn up as long as you have the pieces.

Wouldn't it be better not to have to do that thanks to them being waterproof?

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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Yes. Canada stopped producing pennies in the fall of 2012. [0] The sky didn't fall. There was no great debate, no public opinion polls and politicians swearing heartily about the demise of our great nation. (Ok that's probably not true. For too many politicians that's all they do.) There was resistance when Canada dropped the $1 bill in favour of a Loonie (a $1 coin with the image of a loon on it). People bitched abo…

The difference is that the Canadian Federal government is extremely powerful and the provinces have very little power. In the US, the States are very powerful and the Federal government is much weaker comparatively. For anything to be done collectively across the entire US, it requires cooperation from all states, otherwise one of them can screw everything up. That inherently means more talking, more coordination, mo…

Minor nitpick, just so people reading get more complete information on your example.

Very few states maintained their supply of medical equipment properly. Likewise, the federal government hasn't restocked much equipment since the early? Obama administration. Unfortunately, it just wasn't made much of a priority. Of course this failure was made even more devastating due to massive global misinformation leading to late decisions and poor communication by entities that should have been more trustworthy and better equipped.

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With that said, the states rights debate is a tough nut to crack. There's been so many instances of (various) governments doing evil things that I'm not sure I'd want to centralize even more power.

It's an extreme example, but I liken it to letting a Mao or Hitler take complete control for the benefit of a better healthcare system. The cost is just too great.

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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All transactions are rounded. It's just that paying by card is rounded to the nearest cent instead of the nearest 5 cents.

Weird that people disagree with you -- try taking a 7% tax of $1.25. your total will be $1.3375 -> $1.34

Is it disagreement or just eye-rolling?

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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I feel like we missed an opportunity to also drop the nickel and round everything to 10 cent intervals and just forget about the extra level of precision entirely. I imagine I will see this in my lifetime.

What about the 25 cent piece (the quarter)?

Did you ever noticed that gas is priced down to the mill even though those coins haven't circulated in a long time? Most people don't even know what they are.

I think it would be a fine to drop the penny and nickel from circulation, just let it become an obscure unit.

Re: Is It Time to Kill the Penny?

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All transactions are rounded. It's just that paying by card is rounded to the nearest cent instead of the nearest 5 cents.

Weird that people disagree with you -- try taking a 7% tax of $1.25. your total will be $1.3375 -> $1.34

Fun in Quebec: a 14.975% tax rate¹. The tax can be rounded per line item or on the total.

¹ it was so that the effective tax rate remained the same when Quebec stopped taxing the federal tax, which was pretty annoying for software.

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