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Post by TeaDrunk »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #27

> Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I…

She would probably be fine if she wasn't publicly bad mouthing her co workers on company time, during an all-hands meeting. She's injecting a politically convenient narrative to protect herself from the consequences of her own actions.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #306
enraged_camel wrote: post #248

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>> Can't anyone there see past the current insanity and think? "To be inclusive, we have to get rid of her"? Don't they even hear the words coming out of their own mouths? This confuses a lot of people, but the explanation is simple: it is the Paradox of Tolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Namely, not tolerating someone, who themselves espouse intolerant views and give voice to intolerant ex…

There are plenty of us who think that the "Paradox of Tolerance" is mistaken, rather than truth. It may sound reasonable, but it is used in practice to define ideas we don't like as intolerant, and then exclude those who hold those ideas. If you look around, those on the left aren't showing themselves to be paragons of tolerance. They are nearly as narrow-minded as the right, just with different in-groups and out-gro…

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Post by joshuamorton »

Manfredo_1 wrote: post #488
joshuamorton wrote: post #477

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> Weiss has grounds to claim it on the basis of religion. No she doesn't. The harassment isn't due to her religion, it's due to how she conducts herself as part of her job. (and it doesn't meet the line for harassment anyway, people expressing workplace disagreements isn't harassment, as much as she may want to dress it up). > "Slg is an idiot and a worthless human being who makes the company worse with his or her pr…

So your answer is yes? Under your understanding of harassment, someone can relentlessly bully and insult their co-worker all day long and it isn't workplace harassment so long as it doesn't refer to protected class?

That is the legal definition, yes. I'm not making any statement about how I think things should be. I'm making commentary only on the current legal definitions in the US.

To elaborate, a workplace certainly could take action on such harassment, as they have the right to associate how they please. But they are also free to not do that. And in fact many people face workplace harassment every day, but have no recourse except to suck it up.

Personally, I absolutely support stronger protections for workers, but they don't exist today.

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Post by amerine »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #6

That this is true at what is supposed to be a reputable publication like The New York Times makes me worried for companies and less known publications. Because if it's happening at the elite end of what is supposed to be curiosity-driven investigation, why wouldn't it be happening elsewhere? And so you end up with a culture where you can't speak about anything, where challenging the orthodoxy means you'll be forced i…

I’m not a journalist, never have been. But I did grow up loving the news and ended up in the leadership team of a small newspaper publishing company in Oregon and Northern Cali for a period of years.

I left the entire industry after my time working in that leadership group. As far as I can tell all news organizations today are chasing money and tribes over objective facts and truth.

It concerned me 10 years ago, and I can only imagine it’s gotten worse.

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Post by notmyfriend »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #484
notmyfriend wrote: post #455

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Thats only one thing she is saying. The other thing she is saying is that there is no room for anyone who falls outside the orthodoxy of the new progressive religion.

She's politicizing a totally nonpolitical issue. She was totally fine until she live-tweeted public insults about her co workers during a company meeting. If it were not for her politicizing the issue she would be immediately fired.

You could have made that point if they had not just purged the leadership of the opinion section because they dared to publish some republicans opinion piece. When even international press criticise what they did at NY Times it you know you have a problem.

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Post by nootropicat »

eric_b wrote: post #211

The "orthodoxy" the author writes about is real. I am a skeptic and cynic by nature. In my experience "common wisdom" is usually anything but. In software and technology I've found when you eschew dogma and "best practices" you more often than not get better results. But, in 2020 you cannot question or be skeptical of the "progressive" agenda. Merely hinting that you are not fully bought in will get you labeled as a…

>A skeptical person would ask - what reason could he have for pushing a major media outlet to write so much - what can only reasonably be called - propaganda

Not a secret, Amazon considers lack of diversity a risk factor for unionization.

"Whole Foods' heat map says lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risks" https://archive.is/1khJw

It's all one big social engineering scheme designed to ensure absolute corporate hegemony by redirecting social tension it generates into racial and sex/gender identity conflicts. Extremely successful.

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Post by frandroid »

acituan wrote: post #288
jrumbut wrote: post #153

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They have 1,600 journalists last year that were sent to 150 countries [1]. What other organization is doing anything like that effort to gather facts around the world? Who is doing more collective discovery (and making it accessible to the public at a price an average person can afford)? I can only think of a handful of organizations that are serious candidates (Reuters? The BBC? Wikipedia?). Weird puff pieces, drama…

> They have 1,600 journalists last year that were sent to 150 countries ... to gather facts around the world Journalism is not our fact gathering apparatus. It is our sense making and relevance deciding apparatus based on those facts. If we don't have good journalists providing those functions, we are left with the ersatz, AI based versions to decide what to pay attention to; twitter's, youtube's recommendation algor…

Weiss condemns groupthink, not algorithms.

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Post by makomk »

strogonoff wrote: post #457
makomk wrote: post #446

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What makes this really ugly right now is that the New York Times thinks that the coronavirus pandemic is going to get Trump voted out of office, and their need to push hard on the idea that it's all his fault has really done a number on their reporting about the biggest crisis facing the world. Especially once it turned out all that the success story countries they pointed to as proof America could've done better if…

> America went from having a terrible testing program to one of the best Any sources on nCoV-2 testing program in the US? Genuinely curious, social media (that I can see from inside my bubble) is mostly buzzing with how bad things are all around, but then people rarely take the time to voice positive changes.

You can get a very rough idea of how countries are doing by looking at the tests per capita figures here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (click to sort). Obviously this isn't the only aspect that matters, but it's going to be hard to get a more detailed view that doesn't just tell you whatever country you're in sucks compared to everyone else. The major countries with widespread coronavirus testing on there are - in order - the UK, Russia, the US, Spain and Australia, and I can tell you that our press here in the UK has been pushing almost as hard on the narrative that we're falling behind the rest of the world in testing for coronavirus as the US media.

Naturally, publications like the New York Times have carefully worked to leave their readers with a much worse impression of where the US falls on this specific ranking than reality.

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Post by megaman821 »

achileas wrote: post #481
megaman821 wrote: post #314

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They are bullying and harassing people, and trying to lump that in with "criticism". To make it worse, when they get called out on it, the left goes to victim blaming. It is just gross, like when people point out what a girl was wearing in a sexual assault case. You can criticize, you can ignore and you can boycott. Instead too many people (look at the response to JK Rowling) are threatening death and rape. Or are ha…

Oh no, people are using their free speech to criticize the speech of others!

What are you saying? You think, "I hope you get raped" is a critical response?

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #342
PhineasRex wrote: post #189

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Also worth noting that Bennett actually reached out to Cotton to write the piece

And Bennett lost his position because of it.

because of the article? Or because the entire process for handling it failed to meet NYT process standards for op-eds, and because Bennett himself was at best misleading and at worse lying about his own role and behavior in that process?
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