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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#261

The UK shows itself again as a lap dog for the US.

Well because Brexit does the UK have much choice? No one survives alone. Not even China.

No longer will we Britons live under the iron heel of the Germans and the French! From now own we shall only grovel at the White House!

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#262

Total crap;either it is a security risk and it has to be removed yesterday or it is not. 2027 is meaningless.

That's not how risks work.

Do you buckle your seatbelt before you start driving or when you're 68% of the way to your destination?

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#263

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You aren't helping your case by citing the Supermicro article, which was denied by both Amazon and Apple, led to widespread criticism of Bloomberg, and no source came forward.

Corporations getting rich off the CCP's action siding with the CCP is hardly surprising.

This is fallacious thinking, if you already have biases that confirm or deny information in accordance with your conclusion. If you continue to apply different standards of proof you will end up with a distorted perception of the world. Maybe not in this subject (but maybe so), though certainly in many more.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#264

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Yeah, this I get and, well, sympathise in a way. There is no war, but an ongoing struggle for staying ahead economically, and if this is a part of it, at least there is a logic to it. I’m asking, is there really a security risk that Huawei might listen in on telecoms. Is traffic at the low level more vulnerable somehow? Is it the prevalence of unencrypted communications? Is it leaking of metadata that people are worr…

Yes, the risk is real. Imagine the US made phones for Russia during the Cold War, and the phones were so complicated and full of microcontrollers that reverse engineering and ensuring that a backdoor wasn't in place was impossible. Do you really think the US wouldn't have taken advantage of that? The specific technical risk is unknown, though. There are thousands of microcontrollers in a modern advanced electronic de…

The phones have access to the raw data. The towers shouldn't have access to the raw data, because presumably it's encrypted. If it isn't, it's game over anyways. Not really comparable.

You could make an argument about metadata, which is much more questionable from the get-go.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#265

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That's not how risks work.

Do you buckle your seatbelt before you start driving or when you're 68% of the way to your destination?

A closer car analogy: antique vehicles without seatbelts were not banned from public roads when seatbelts became mandatory.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#266

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The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't ge…

Wow, the stories of Mary and Bob was truly eye-opening. And don’t even mention poor Fred... Guess I’m on team Huawei now!

The big intrigue here is what Alice was doing that time?

She is usually writes some messages to Bob, but probably couldn’t afford 5G plan and decided to end the relationship.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#267
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This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

Jeez as a Chinese person who lives in USA I find this comment very condescending and offensive. > But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democracy, and so on. I don’t want to get into a whataboutism debate about all the human rights violations the USA has engaged in (yes Trump but Obama as well and W before him and etc). But real…

Hypocrisy.

Looks good to exibit tolerancy between like minded friends about accepted topics, abortion, sexual orientation, skin color and the like... But about a different political system other than western liberal democracy? No way!

And it's not like Chinas Communist Party (from Deng Xiaopin on) has not good credentials. It might be the more succesfull regime in the history of humanity if we talk about taking people out of poverty. Which system has improved the life of millions like the party?

But it doesn't matter. The aglosphere keeps with its cultural war against the new enemy. What are the signs that the Chinese want to export their way of life? Any recent war launched by China? Any attempt to force a Western goverment to accept their condicions? They are not the ones messing with other countries democracies.

Anyway, there are plenty of things not to like about the Communist Party, but seriously, the propaganda is out of control.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#268

Total crap;either it is a security risk and it has to be removed yesterday or it is not. 2027 is meaningless.

Risk is a continuum and we accept many risks on a daily basis as a compromise to cut costs. The deadline is that compromise. Grandfather clauses, deadlines, and phased approaches are exceedingly common in regulatory requirements around the world for this reason.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#269
Impressive how much power the USA has over UK. It is known that Cisco has backdoors in their routers - and UK politics doesn't care. Now the Trump administration is spreading the rumor that Huawei hardware _might_ have backdoors (when the most plausible actual reason for this warning is to gain the upper hand in the trade war) and England is already putting the wish into action.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

#270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't ge…

i run my whole office on 4g (amsterdam, europe). it works super nicely. in fact often better than my wifi at home... 4g is everywhere in NL. it just works great whereever you are. so i really wonder where the immediate need for 5g is.

My understanding is that 4g requires a lot more effort to provision more or less capacity as need arises. I've been to a few brownbags on the topic and I didn't fully understand it (it's not my area of expertise by many hops), but the big selling point the engineers were explaining to us was that they can effectively put telco equipment in cloud-like datacenters and spool up or spin down capacity much simpler than they can now. And then something about the tower-edge being far more advanced and able to be spooled up or down as need requires.

I live on an island near a metro with a lot of traffic when the ferry from the metro arrives, then it disappears. Every single ferry that comes in knocks out 4g responsiveness (or takes it down entirely) while the ferry disembarks until everyone moves away from that area.

So, for me, 5g has a projected material benefit (presuming my understanding of their brownbags were sufficient). I'd love to hear any actual cellular network engineers fully explain it because between words I didn't understand and trying to balance a salad and eat it without a table, I'm sure I misunderstood _something_.

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