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Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by swayson » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 6:21 PM UTC

shripadk wrote: post #235

swayson wrote: post #91

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http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/730000/Co...

You are confusing military bases with expansion. Having a military base is not the same as claiming territory. This is the maritime boundary claimed by China: https://i2.wp.com/thegeopolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017... China has illegally extended its maritime boundaries to include boundaries of other ASEAN countries (read up on UNCLOS: [2] and what is considered International Waters and what is not. It even lost…

I made no claims. Purely posted a picture that illustrates the complex geo-political landscape surrounding China. Context ...

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by dang » Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 7:01 AM UTC

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #213

tristor wrote: post #191

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Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". Value judgements on whether that hegemony has been a net positive or net negative for the world, aside. I'd say your viewpoint of the world is not based on reality.

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Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 2:11 AM UTC

ciguy wrote: post #13

rorykoehler wrote: post #7

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Posted 10 mins ago and already downvoted. Do HN not have algos to stop this astroturfing behaviour? It’s becoming very prevalent for anything that criticises the CCP.

Yep, every time I post anything that mentions China I lose Karma, but I don't particularly care. Sometimes the comments start with 10+ upvotes and then suddenly a wave of downvotes comes. Most recently some very new accounts with mostly pro china submissions and comments began using my real name and posting it in comments, apparently thinking I would be scared of having my real name associated with anything critical…

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Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by abandonliberty » Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 7:41 PM UTC

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #155

sterlind wrote: post #129

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You can be highly educated at engineering and still know nothing about politics or philosophy. I think the best thing they can do is induce political apathy. Discourage people from trying to get into even the Party apparatus, except as functionaries doing repetitive, menial jobs, and then keep people prosperous so they don't question. I've certainly known a lot of engineers - Western engineers, even - who didn't care…

I don’t agree. To become highly educated in really any type of knowledge work, it requires a type of intellectual curiosity and openness to the scientific method applied to all possible policy decision making that is incompatible with the generalization you claim, at a fundamental level. The drives simply can’t coexist in the same mind at the scale of a society. The drive of scientific inquiry required to be literate…

I once hoped the same thing for religion.

Unfortunately it's a misleading, nearly ethnocentric belief, like the one where we assumed wealth and prosperity results in democracy.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/03/01/how-the-west-go...

This is hubris. "Our model of society is optimal for scientific progress".

The recent Chinese diaspora are largely aggressively pro-china regardless of whether they are here as students or highly educated workers. Everyone who is not Han-Chinese a laowai, or "foreigner", even in their own country.

China is showing the world an alternative to Western democracy, and they can point to clear failures of democracy with populism, corruption, and white people's ridiculous inability to wear masks ;)

Which model will be more resilient when the sea levels start to rise?