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Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
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Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's wrong with the YAML? It's easy to read and write, concise, and generally has sane defaults meaning you don't have to be overly verbose.
The features intended to make it easy to use, in the end lead to surprising behavior, often with values having non-string types where you expected strings. There are some examples in https://www.arp242.net/yaml-config.html .
I haven't had any issues with this in a Kubernetes context- but I can see how this could lead to issues in different contexts
Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#153This is one weird comment section. There are people attacking the author for a statement made about CoreOS, and for some hate towards Kubernetes. The key point of the article is not really being addressed here: vested interests from large companies are able to introduce huge complexity into simple, well-designed projects. While the complexity may be good for some end that said vested interest has in mind, they are al…
Agreed. I saw it as a general lament against over-engineering. I don't think the point got lost in the super specific example...
You could just as easily level similar rants against the likes of React and it's wider ecosystem, Tensorflow, Typescript (many will disagree), Docker... I'm sure others have their own bugbears.
Much of this is subjective, of course. But to me, it feels like software development is trending towards unecessarily complicated development processes and architectures.
And the only beneficiaries appear to be the large technology companies.
I suppose in exchange, you're getting a guarantee of maintenance. But is that really worth the additional complexity associated with the common use of these tools?
Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#154> That's it. That's the story. Popular modern technology is taken over by expats from a megacorp and made worse in the service of a hyper-specialized (and just plain over-hyped) orchestration platform
If you hate the direction the open source project has gone in, why not fork it and have the v2/HTTP version live on forever? The project does not owe it to you to stay crystallized at a moment in time.
Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
What are some of the arguments against `systemd`? I've used it in several production systems and don't really have an opinion on it.
It violates the old school UNIX Philosophy of (1) simple standalone tools (2) text as the universal interface. (1) systemd is a monolith that aspires to do almost everything from booting to networking to sound. It's in many ways a Kubernetes sans distributed systems. (2) systemd uses binary logs, abandoning "text is the universal interface" systemd is also a giant single point of failure. Personally I don't see the b…
i went trying to learn how to make my linux box do something at startup.
as somebody learning how to use my linux, systemd clouded the discovery process of learning how to linux in the intended way.
i ended up using systemd, but now that's the thing i'm familiar with if i want to add some service to my computer... so it has infected me with some non-linux-y knowledge that won't go away soon.
Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#156nice
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#157Awesome
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#158Oh man, thank you for this. I cannot stand the engineering culture of Google and I especially cannot stand the engineering culture of Google wannabes. Google ruins everything they touch, and I'm really sick of the engineering worship they most certainly do not deserve. Every single piece of software to come out of Google is overengineered, broken garbage.
Your statements are overly hostile and hyperbolic. There's been plenty of great software out of Google and lots of good ideas taken for granted. I'll give you folks trying to build things the Google way without Google tools or scale is more often than not the wrong thing to do, but that doesn't invalidate the good.
They match my experience with most Google software at least, maybe worded in an extreme way but hey that's forums for ya
Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#159This is one weird comment section. There are people attacking the author for a statement made about CoreOS, and for some hate towards Kubernetes. The key point of the article is not really being addressed here: vested interests from large companies are able to introduce huge complexity into simple, well-designed projects. While the complexity may be good for some end that said vested interest has in mind, they are al…
When I've worked on small teams we avoided complexity by hardcoding locations and using GUI management tools and all these other things that still exist - and honestly, are better today than they were in the past, when you'd also need to get yourself a rack in a datacenter to run stuff.
I think there's a big swath of people adopting fancy tools to try to solve problems they don't have and won't have for years, but I don't see that having destroyed the ability to do things the easy way.
Re: Etcd, or, why modern software makes me sad
#160> Anything that has a simple and elegant feature-set ends up coöpted by people who just want to build big ungainly architecture and ends up inheriting features from whatever megacorp the coöpters came from
So true.