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Resignation Letter

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Re: Resignation Letter

#251

There seems to be more and more public acknowledgement (and in fora like this one) of the myriad leftist 1984-style attacks we are currently witnessing - every bit as bad as the McCarthy era led by the right. As appalling as the behaviour of these people is, that growing awareness can only be a good thing.

The woke-left isn't going around arresting people, nor do they have much (if any) influence in high levels of government.

They are getting low level employees fired from their jobs, though. They have a lot of power in educational institutes, media organizations and HR departments.

Re: Resignation Letter

#252
post #3

"Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at [the New York Times]: that truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else." This is a very key point, and what are the consequences of "informing everyone of a truth" that doesn't accurately reflect -- of even contradicts! -- reality? Harm to the reput…

They have 1,600 journalists last year that were sent to 150 countries [1]. What other organization is doing anything like that effort to gather facts around the world? Who is doing more collective discovery (and making it accessible to the public at a price an average person can afford)? I can only think of a handful of organizations that are serious candidates (Reuters? The BBC? Wikipedia?). Weird puff pieces, drama…

It doesn't matter what kind of discovery they do if it's all framed by a predetermined worldview and agenda, but yeah. All the big outlets are obviously trash these days. No escaping, you're right.

Re: Resignation Letter

#253
I'm really disappointed to read this. I am a long time subscriber and supporter of the New York Times but have noticed that their brand of news has really changed, particularly since Trump's election. It is frequently - not always, but enough to notice - ideologically biased, and more recently, we're seeing internal details leak out that confirm that the news room has indeed changed to carry a heavy cultural bias internally.

The first big example of an ideological bias that caught my eye was the NYT "1619 project", which recasts American history as being based on racism rather than principles of freedom. On the face of it, this sounds like an extremist perspective, and indeed the person behind the 1619 project, Nikole Hannah-Jones, has had a history of extreme views. For instance she called white people "barbaric devils" (see https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/25/in-racist-screed-nyts-1... for example), and amplified a conspiracy theory that fireworks were a government plan to attack black and brown communities (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/author-of-new-york-t...).

Leaving aside the dubious views of this staff writer, the 1619 project ultimately ignored its own fact checkers (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-proje...), and despite widespread critique of its factual errors (see https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/historians... or https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-tells-a-false-... or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project#Criticism), the NY Times editor in chief brushed off what historians have claimed are severe inaccuracies (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/20/magazine/we-respond-to-th...).

More recently, The Tom Cotton fiasco, documented news room revolts at the Times, and this letter confirm that they are indeed no longer operating as a neutral and trustworthy source of news.

This trend of an ideological takeover by progressives/far left is happening in all major news rooms. Even the Wall Street Journal has its own activism from journalists (https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-newsrooms-face-a-recko...). Gerry Baker, the former top editor at WSJ, was forced to step down to a journalist role, and then just recently, at the behest of his peers and their union, he was forced to move from the news section to the opinion section (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/business/wall-street-jour...). Can you imagine a workplace where your peers openly denigrate your work, attack your character, and alter your career? This is discrimination, even if it is legal.

Unfortunately the far left cohort has turned into an enemy of the freedom of thought and inquiry. We saw it happen at tech companies with the James Damore incident, with repeated walkouts/protests since then, with censorship on Twitter, with demonetization on YouTube, and so on. We have seen it in college campuses over the last decade, with the most recent example being the absolutely unjust forced resignation of Steven Hsu (https://quillette.com/2020/07/01/on-steve-hsu-and-the-campai...). And we're seeing it in the ongoing campaign to pressure Facebook to censor certain views or lines of inquiry.

All of this is bad for society. The fundamental principles of free speech (going beyond legal requirements) must be defended, neutrality must be upheld in the workplace, and institutions that fail to uphold these values should be outed and abandoned by customers. This includes the NY Times.

Re: Resignation Letter

#254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Initially, I was criticizing the content, which is on its face false: we are discussing multiple widely–read pieces from prominent people who claim they are being "canceled" for their views. You claimed that they are speaking out for the benefit of less powerful writers. Since the goalposts have shifted to their intentions , attacking the source is absolutely relevant. I simply don't believe those intentions, given t…

What do you disagree with in the Harper's letter itself (the content, not the publication or the signatories), and why? I assume you also support the letter, if it had appeared in a publication you approved of?

Again:

> Initially, I was criticizing the content, which is on its face false: we are discussing multiple widely–read pieces from prominent people who claim they are being "canceled" for their views.

If Alice makes a claim about herself, it is not "attacking the source" to say the claim is false. That also doesn't mean that the same claim would be false if Bob made it about himself.

So, yes: if smaller writers who had actually been marginalized or excluded wrote an open letter claiming as much in a publication with a track record of publishing such voices, I might have supported it, because their claims might have actually been credible.

Instead, a publication that works to homogenize journalism published a letter signed by powerful writers about how they are being "silenced". By virtue of the fact that millions of people are now discussing their views, that claim is self–evidently false.

Re: Resignation Letter

#255
post #161

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Completely disagree. And I think Joe Rogan's podcast is the perfect example of how the market is suggesting exactly what you replied to. "Normal Americans" don't read the NYT anymore, or WSJ, or the Post, they listen to Joe Rogan on Spotify and Youtube. There's virtually no limit to who Joe will have on his show, and while he's not a remarkable interviewer, he brings the often vital opinions of his guests on all side…

How long have you been listening to JRE? This reads like someone who discovered it because Elon Musk showed up along with a bunch of other celebrities in the last 2 years. Give it some more time and you'll get over this savant view of Rogan. If anything I'd recommend going back to watching some episodes when it was filmed in his living room, not his millionaire's playground shop

I'm not actually a listener, I might watch a clip from a guest I'm interested in once in a great while. But I've never listened to an entire episode. I don't like the lack of structure in his interviews, and I don't have 2-4 hours to listen to unstructured rambling, with the occasional useful tangent.

I think you mistook my comment as saying "Joe Rogan podcast is great and everyone should listen." I was only saying that it is a source of "opinions that are vital, and debate that is sincere," and that he has obtained a remarkable amount of working class listeners.

Re: Resignation Letter

#256

There seems to be more and more public acknowledgement (and in fora like this one) of the myriad leftist 1984-style attacks we are currently witnessing - every bit as bad as the McCarthy era led by the right. As appalling as the behaviour of these people is, that growing awareness can only be a good thing.

Your coworkers and people on Twitter making fun of you isn't comparable to McCarthyism.

Pretty similar to the Hollywood blacklist.

Non government institution discriminating against people for their perceived political views.

Re: Resignation Letter

#257

Purely anecdotal, but knowing a couple people who work at the NYTimes, there is definitely a right way to operate there. You can cruise by taking the same stances and retweeting the same tweets. Bari Weiss never seemed very principled in her stances though, so I don't think she's a good counterpoint.

There is a bit of signals and signifiers conundrum here. That said, her points are still valid even though she is not the perfect victim of mob mentality group think orthodoxy.

Re: Resignation Letter

#258

> All this bodes ill, especially for independent-minded young writers and editors paying close attention to what they’ll have to do to advance in their careers. Rule One: Speak your mind at your own peril. Rule Two: Never risk commissioning a story that goes against the narrative. Rule Three: Never believe an editor or publisher who urges you to go against the grain. Eventually, the publisher will cave to the mob, th…

She is not making this plea for her own benefit, but for those who don’t have her same level of privilege.

Re: Resignation Letter

#259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Saying you agree with free speech, such as the Harper's Letter which is about as milquetoast and generic as it gets, is viciously attacked on the left for being racist, anti-trans, the authors are scum, anyone who signs it should be fired, and on and on. As a testament to the existence of cancel culture and the stifling of any opinion against the party line in the progressive media, I can't think of a mor…

First, I think you're lumping "the left" together and assuming "the left" believes whatever the most extreme "left" tweets say. Second, Bari Weiss can write whatever she wants. Totally her right. She's got a website there in the link! She can continue to reach a global audience. Does the NYTimes need to promote her? No, that's not a right I'm willing to die for. Third, why on earth is Bari Weiss' opinion more sacrosa…

> Fourth, when I hear people complain about "going against the progressive party line" or whatever, I generally hear people wanting to be some flavor of racist, sexist, transphobic, or just asshole-ish without consequence.

I hear this all the time, but it seems so disingenuous. There are so many national examples that no reasonable person could consider to be any of the above:

* A hispanic man was fired for accidentally making the "ok" symbol

* A data scientist was canned for citing a prominent black academic's research about the efficacy of nonviolent protest

* A journalist was forced to issue an apology for interviewing a black man who was happy about BLM but wished there was more attention on issues of violence in his community

Frothing racists indeed.

In light of cases like this, I don't know how anyone can think that cancel culture is just "punching up" or "criticizing people" or "going for people who want to use hate speech".

Re: Resignation Letter

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your coworkers and people on Twitter making fun of you isn't comparable to McCarthyism.

Being barred from employment in your industry due to your non-work-related political opinion and affiliations is literally McCarthyism though.

I was interviewing a candidate last year for a software engineering position. Interview was fine and he was capable. I decided to find him on Twitter.

He said immigration was ruining the country, and that there are too many Indians / Chinese in the Bay Area. About half of my organization either have an H1B visa or a green card.

Am I a McCarthyist for rejecting him outright without hesitation?

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