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German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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Didn't he claim the same last year and the year before?

Really? You're guna bet against Elon Musk? You really think that's wise? XD

Betting against Elon is a fools errand not because he's right, but because he's built a personality cult around himself.

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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> Tesla goofed from the beginning by calling tech like "Autosteer" and "Traffic Assisted Cruise Control" under the moniker "Autopilot" I am not accusing you specifically of using weak language, but let's call a spade a spade: it's not a "goof," it's a dangerous and deceptive business practice. It's one that Elon Musk is directly responsible for and directly encouraged with misleading statements where he deliberately…

It's strange how much people will bend over backwards to give Musk the benefit of doubt when he openly lies about such things

While he has achieved a lot, His claims sometimes are downright bizarre... I don't know if it is just intentional deception, drugs, or some kind of bi-polar mania, or a combination of all the above.

We should be able to make our Teslas to be fully automated robo-taxis by now... and earn cash on the side....

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-robo-taxis-elon-musk-p...

I wouldn't trust my family's life, on his (often) delusional claims.

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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That's hypocrisy from the German court. This is 100% a push from German car industry lobby. Note that the case wasn't started from consumer complaints, it was instead started by an industrial group. I bet all Tesla buyers are aware about what they are actually buying. They can return the car and get a refund if they are not pleased with it. This ban is bullshit considering that many ads in many industries are decepti…

Deceptive healthcare ads aren’t allowed in Europe either. Consumer protection standards are much higher.

They are not allowed, but it doesn't stop deceptive ads. Here is an example in French pharmacy : https://www.pourquoidocteur.fr/Articles/Question-d-actu/3079...

"Probiotic" term has been banned on ads and packages. Those products are now sold as "Ultrabiotic" or other variants. Same product, same impact on consumer, but legal.

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla goofed from the beginning by calling tech like "Autosteer" and "Traffic Assisted Cruise Control" under the moniker "Autopilot" I am not accusing you specifically of using weak language, but let's call a spade a spade: it's not a "goof," it's a dangerous and deceptive business practice. It's one that Elon Musk is directly responsible for and directly encouraged with misleading statements where he deliberately…

I don't think it's dangerous, necessarily, unless you ignore people's personal responsibility in the situation as well. As currently designed, "Autopilot" requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel, provide rotational counter-weight on it, and you have to agree to safety and attention disclaimers before you can even enable the features. Yes, there are absolutely misconceptions that may happen with the gene…

But autopilot is explicitly a term for hands off operation.

In general, in driving, things happen too fast for any control assist system to allow hands off driving.

EDIT: Any existing control assist system

And I don't think we are that close, since "self driving cars" still seem to be limited to "driving at 25 MPH around Mountain View and Sunnyvale where the curbs and streets have been pre-mapped to within inches".

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla goofed from the beginning by calling tech like "Autosteer" and "Traffic Assisted Cruise Control" under the moniker "Autopilot" I am not accusing you specifically of using weak language, but let's call a spade a spade: it's not a "goof," it's a dangerous and deceptive business practice. It's one that Elon Musk is directly responsible for and directly encouraged with misleading statements where he deliberately…

It's strange how much people will bend over backwards to give Musk the benefit of doubt when he openly lies about such things

It's a personality cult at this point; they will never even entertain the idea that the glorious leader can err, or that if he does, it's for our own good.

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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I agree with this wholeheartedly, even as a Tesla owner. Tesla goofed from the beginning by calling tech like "Autosteer" and "Traffic Assisted Cruise Control" under the moniker "Autopilot" while shifting everything above that to "Full Self-Driving". They should have called it "CoPilot" since that infers that you're still the driver in charge of controlling the vehicle and it would have had exactly the same reception…

> Tesla goofed from the beginning by calling tech like "Autosteer" and "Traffic Assisted Cruise Control" under the moniker "Autopilot" I am not accusing you specifically of using weak language, but let's call a spade a spade: it's not a "goof," it's a dangerous and deceptive business practice. It's one that Elon Musk is directly responsible for and directly encouraged with misleading statements where he deliberately…

> It's a disgrace and one of many many many reasons why Tesla needs to outright fire Musk.

I drove a co-worker's Tesla and I loved it--and I will never buy one for the reasons you mentioned. I'm glad Tesla exists to force other automakers to compete on the electric front, but that's the extent of my admiration for them.

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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That's hypocrisy from the German court. This is 100% a push from German car industry lobby. Note that the case wasn't started from consumer complaints, it was instead started by an industrial group. I bet all Tesla buyers are aware about what they are actually buying. They can return the car and get a refund if they are not pleased with it. This ban is bullshit considering that many ads in many industries are decepti…

Deceptive healthcare ads aren’t allowed in Europe either. Consumer protection standards are much higher.

Heck, in the UK if a medicine is prescription-only you're not allowed to advertise it at all. This is a great improvement, frankly.

Re: German court bans Tesla ad statements related to autonomous driving

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Why not call Full Self Driving: "Future Self Driving". This way you don't need to make the claim. People will make the inference from FSD. If they can change FSD to mean. "Future Self Driving" Perhaps this will help them make it very clear what the FSD can do and cannot do. amiright?
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