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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by gruez »

Waterfall wrote: post #218
gruez wrote: post #212

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Source on this? Maybe you can do it if it's combined with wifi/bluetooth signals, but I doubt you can do it with cell towers alone.

Yes you can. I used a jailbreak app on ios6 and I used llama on Android for this. >The average for Boston is 21 meters; New York 27 meters; Austin, TX, 28 meters; Washington 29 meters, and Chicago 38 meters. https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re... I got my own room in my house with it, back in the 3G/4G days. I'm not sure what modern software and hardware can do it now, but I'm pretty sure it'…

>https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re....

>The average for Boston is 21 meters; New York 27 meters; Austin, TX, 28 meters; Washington 29 meters, and Chicago 38 meters.

>A number of factors can impact location data accuracy, including its source, which can include GPS signals, Wi-Fi and cell tower triangulation.

Seems like the figures they're giving is with wifi/gps signals, not just cell tower alone.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

hrktb wrote: post #160
mytailorisrich wrote: post #129

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The UK left the EU so now it has no option but to be a big guy's bitch because it is too weak to face them by itself, and it has always been quite obvious that it would be a satellite of the US. This is not the same situation for the EU.

The EU by design is not a single unit with governing power that would counteract the US or China. It’s not a federation but a union, each member has to manage their own international relations. France for instance is about to take the same steps as UK, and get out of Huawei deals within the next years.

One of the main goals of the EU is to counteract the US and China. Individual member states no longer manage their own international relations when it comes to trade and try to find a common position on other issues.

The issue of a deeper integration is an old one and evolving, but the trend is more integration.

It is becoming more and more important for Europe to stand on its own two feet and be independent in all aspects.

There are benefits in having the other superpowers locked in conflict if you can stay out of it as much as possible and further your interests while they are distracted.

The UK, on the other hand, is in a very weak position. China will feel comfortable retaliating strongly, and the US will probably extract a sweet trade deal from them.

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Post by yifanlu »

room271 wrote: post #9

This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

Jeez as a Chinese person who lives in USA I find this comment very condescending and offensive.

> But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democracy, and so on.

I don’t want to get into a whataboutism debate about all the human rights violations the USA has engaged in (yes Trump but Obama as well and W before him and etc). But really I’ll just focus on “proper civil society”. Jfc is the sinophobia getting overt around here.

Even if I take the good faith argument that “it’s commentary about CCP not Chinese people” as I often hear after racist remarks, I’ll just point out I’ve been hearing comments like this all my life in all sorts condescending ways. Most of the time in bad faith. So I don’t give a shit about how you “intend” it to be.

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Post by tzs »

neximo64 wrote: post #16

Following the German strategy I see. Just put things so far out they’re the next governments responsibility

Or maybe the idea is to put it far enough out that no one actually has to start replacing equipment until the US has a new administration and they can see where that administration stands on China.

If Trump gets reelected this year that will be his second term which is the limit, and so there will be a new administration in January 2025. If he doesn't get reelected there will be a new administration on January 2021.

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Post by me_me_me »

cm2187 wrote: post #188
londons_explore wrote: post #170

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The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't ge…

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but assuming you aren't. No consumer is asking for 5g, and I don't think any consumer will realise the difference. And not sure that 5g can do much good on a train, unless the train circles around inside a big city and never goes in the countryside where what matters is antenna with long range.

But with 5G i can watch Netflix faster /s

5g is just another white rabbit big Multinational are chasing to justify/force infrastructure replacement.

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Post by yushuf »

mpfundstein wrote: post #210
lihan wrote: post #89

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I disagree. Reports about China from many western media tend to exaggerate things about China, mostly influenced by western politics, not good at all. Also, western media tend to report selective facts to only show things they want people to hear and see. The right to life is the first clause of human right, which I see they are violated in many western countries. They refuse to treat the poor and old. Do you hear Ch…

comments like this make me wanna reach 500 karma so that i can downvote :-) man are you REALLY and seriously arguing that a single party empire system is better than democracy? dude please. It might be better if you like to live in your bee hive and play your assigned role. But what if you are different? what if you want to be something else than society forces you to be? what theb? you are screwed my friend. and tha…

How is democracy working out in Arab spring countries or Eastern European countries? Most westerners have it wrong where they think Democracy --> Economic prosperity, where in fact it's quite the opposite. Economic prosperity --> Strong government --> Democracy. If you don't have a strong state, Democracy (or any political system) just leads to widespread corruption.

If you're interested in learning more about how China, America, UK, etc were able to rise to power, I recommend checking out this paper: https://s3.amazonaws.com/real.stlouisfed.org/wp/2015/2015-00...

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Post by free_rms »

rashkov wrote: post #206
Barrin92 wrote: post #155

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Whataboutism gets brought out too fast to dismiss discussion. Democratic systems project their values by demonstrating them. A democratic state that cannot show that its values work will have no ability to demand of others to emulate it. In that context the failures of the US (as it is de-facto the standard-bearer of political liberalism in a broad sense), have real influence. When the Chinese look around the world a…

The US has certainly lost a lot of moral standing, and yes it makes it harder to criticize others, and it strengthens autocratic hands abroad to be able to point to the US' failures. That said, the parent poster isn't the US government, but a private citizen raising a valid criticism of another country. So why can't it stand on its own, without a big show of self-criticism first? Can we not criticize others until our…

I hear what you're saying here, and no, our country doesn't have to be perfect before criticizing someone else.

But still, we should wonder if the criticism is motivated by something other than pure concern for human rights. You expect me to believe that Americans are mad at China strictly because they really, really care about the rights of muslims? With our record and our allies' records?

Or is it possible that this is just motivated by geopolitical interest?

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Post by me_me_me »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #52
rich_sasha wrote: post #38

If this is just Realpolitik/hardware independence, fine, but security..? Any worthwhile Internet traffic should be encrypted in 2020, and if it isn’t, Huawei probably isn’t the most immediate concern. And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? Comments welcome, I know zilch about telecoms hardware.

Your questions aren't about telecoms hardware, but about politics and the international flow of power. China is slated to take over the world economically. Their political model has the potential to spread around the world. These are attempts to limit China's capacity to grow as fast while inhibiting their capacity to knock out, intercept, or backdoor critical infrastructure.

> Their political model has the potential to spread around the world.

Care to expand that thought? I don't particularly see how their communist-capitalism system would be ever accepted by EU or NA.

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Post by cm2187 »

me_me_me wrote: post #225
cm2187 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but assuming you aren't. No consumer is asking for 5g, and I don't think any consumer will realise the difference. And not sure that 5g can do much good on a train, unless the train circles around inside a big city and never goes in the countryside where what matters is antenna with long range.

But with 5G i can watch Netflix faster /s 5g is just another white rabbit big Multinational are chasing to justify/force infrastructure replacement.

Or to get 4k video streaming on my tiny smartphone screen, because I'm worth it!

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Post by rich_sasha »

hnarn wrote: post #198
rich_sasha wrote: post #38

If this is just Realpolitik/hardware independence, fine, but security..? Any worthwhile Internet traffic should be encrypted in 2020, and if it isn’t, Huawei probably isn’t the most immediate concern. And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? Comments welcome, I know zilch about telecoms hardware.

> And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? If your argument here is “who cares if we can trust the hardware if the encryption works” I’d encourage you to think about how you know that the encryption “works” if you can’t trust the hardware. A lot of the encryption is out of necessity far removed from the end user, it’s not exactly PGP over email. And everything is never encrypted, the operations…

There isn’t really an argument, only a question. As in, a basic tenet of cryptography is that we can communicate over unsafe channels, so long as we trust the cipher, the final recipient and our own hardware. Maybe I don’t trust the 5G but I do trust the cipher and my computer, is that ok then?

As for metadata, is there no cryptographic schemes that make metadata extraction impossible? I’m thinking like with Covid tracking apps, you can find out whether you were in contact with someone infected, without sharing any identifiable info.

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