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Resignation Letter

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Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by csours »

2 quick comments:

1. Team-sports politics and Identity politics are a scourge and cancer used for fundraising, and I despise them.

2. Conservatives have been poisoning public discourse since at least the 1980's with hate and fear (see Rush Limbaugh), and I despise that tactic. I'm sure you can find instances where Liberals have done the same, but it would be VERY hard to convince me that they have done it at the same level of concerted effort.

I think reasonable people should be able to discuss differences, but I fear that any public discussion will quickly drop to rote positions and bad faith assumptions.

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Post by deleuze »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #6

That this is true at what is supposed to be a reputable publication like The New York Times makes me worried for companies and less known publications. Because if it's happening at the elite end of what is supposed to be curiosity-driven investigation, why wouldn't it be happening elsewhere? And so you end up with a culture where you can't speak about anything, where challenging the orthodoxy means you'll be forced i…

Bari Weiss is responsible for toxic culture in the first place. She's an absolute hypocrite here, so whatever conversation you want to have about speech, it probably shouldn't happen in this context.

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Post by ReptileMan »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #7

> All this bodes ill, especially for independent-minded young writers and editors paying close attention to what they’ll have to do to advance in their careers. Rule One: Speak your mind at your own peril. Rule Two: Never risk commissioning a story that goes against the narrative. Rule Three: Never believe an editor or publisher who urges you to go against the grain. Eventually, the publisher will cave to the mob, th…

Well the Tom Cotton op ed drama was literally this.

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Post by jgwil2 »

> Americans still hunger for news that is accurate, opinions that are vital, and debate that is sincere.

The market would suggest otherwise.

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Post by CJefferson »

Speaking as someone who absorbs American media externally, there does seem to be a disconnect looking in.

About 40% of the America seems to still support Donald Trump, under most polls. It certainly isn't true that 40% of the media supports Donald Trump. As an external viewer, it's easy to imagine no-one was ever going to vote for Donald Trump, no-one ever supported him, and no-one supports him today, but that's clearly not reality.

Personally, I'd never have voted for him, but it's hard to understand why many of those who voted for him continue to support him, and it doesn't feel like the media is doing a good job here.

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Post by seibelj »

Great summary of everything I feel that has gone wrong at the NYT, cancel culture, and the left-wing gladiatorial combat that is trying to root out any hint of disagreement with orthodoxy now that all center and conservatives have been purged. I highly recommend reading this.

If you want more opinions from progressives that feel cancel culture has stifled free speech, is illiberal, and also illogical, listen to the Blocked and Reported podcast: https://barpodcast.fireside.fm/

Very brave people make that, and it's a breath of fresh air.

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Post by caycep »

alecb wrote: post #4

There's several layers of irony here, chief of which Bari Weiss headed a very vocal campaign to fire anyone at Colombia who didn't exist on the far-right on Israel/Palestine - and of course, falsely painted several professors as racist and anti-Semitic: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/08/the-nyts-bari-weiss-fals...

Also reading the tone of her columns and the accusations she's made in them, I read anything she writes with a very large grain of salt...

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Post by deleuze »

ReptileMan wrote: post #9
slg wrote: post #5

It always amazes me when the people who champion "the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society" will also turn around and say something like their political beliefs being mocking by coworkers is "unlawful discrimination". She doesn't want free speech. She wants consequence free speech. She wants her detractors silenced by the law. What a hypocrite.

Since she hasn't filed discrimination lawsuit, I read it as mocking the victim culture that prevades the others.

Hard to find a bigger proponent of victim culture than Bari Weiss herself, though.

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Post by inetknght »

ReptileMan wrote: post #9
slg wrote: post #5

It always amazes me when the people who champion "the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society" will also turn around and say something like their political beliefs being mocking by coworkers is "unlawful discrimination". She doesn't want free speech. She wants consequence free speech. She wants her detractors silenced by the law. What a hypocrite.

Since she hasn't filed discrimination lawsuit, I read it as mocking the victim culture that prevades the others.

> mocking the victim culture

So, intimidation?

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