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Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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> sensors are calibrated to ignore all sounds except for those that most closely match the “impulsive” sound of an explosion > The blast of a gun is different from other explosive sounds > “It’s a very, very sharp wave,” Beldock said. “No other sound works that way.” > Other impulsive sounds — including fireworks, backfires and helicopters — can also trigger the remote sensors They're calibrated just to hear explosio…

For what it's worth, neither bullets nor helicopters are propelled by explosions. While the distinction is somewhat technical, gunpowder doesn't explode--it just burns really fast. This is less important for small arms than for, say, artillery, but being able to control burn rates is critical for the design of most firearms/cannons and things like solid-fuel rocket motors (which function as one big propellant grain)-…

>gunpowder doesn't explode

Define "explode".

Any chemical reaction that produces more outputs than inputs by volume can explode if you trap that pressure.

The flame front on gunpowder isn't fast enough to make a pressure wave that sounds like a bang if there's nothing to trap the combustion byproducts (like the space behind a bullet as it travels down the barrel).

You can harmlessly set off gunpowder (old school black powder and equivalents) as a party trick. Don't try that with Semtex.

I'm not an acoustics expert but I think it's going to be fundamentally very hard if not impossible to build a shotspotter type system that both works in an urban environment (where sound bounces off all sorts of things) and doesn't get a false positive from things like motorcycles backfiring.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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The problem is, that they lied about how they got te evidence. Eg, they plant a hidden camera in your house, see you packing drugs and puting them in your car in your own garage, and driving away. Since they got the info that you had the drugs from illegally set cameras, they can't just stop and search your car, but they can "randomly" stop you for a traffic check, and just "randomly" have a drug sniffing dog present…

This already happens. I once had a conversation with a Homeland Security officer at a backyard BBQ, and he said: "When you see on the news that Police randomly stopped a car and discovered a huge cache of drugs... you don't actually think that's random, do you?" TBH I had never thought about it before but now I recognize this pattern everywhere.

>This already happens. I once had a conversation with a Homeland Security officer at a backyard BBQ, and he said:

Oh, it definitly happens.

But officers also make fishing stops all the time too.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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> Police Department signed an agreement with Amazon's home surveillance equipment company, Ring, in 2019 to gain special access to the company's Neighbors app this is the most scary part.

Is it clear what this "special access" is? After touring the landing page of Amazon's Neighbors app it's not clear to me how this affects privacy. It could be as benign as a message board moderator position. Don't mistake me for saying that this is okay, I think this is dystopic, but I fear it will be hard to convince people with a Ring device that this is dangerous.

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And this is just state surveillance. There’s a guy who’s building a private surveillance network in San Francisco, with the buy in of the District Attorney and local police departments, and a goal of complete surveillance of city streets. https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.nytimes.c...

Your link looks scary.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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Stuff like this gives me some hope. Where states like China have complete surveillance and control over their citizens, and that's where other fascist states seem to be headed, at least in western countries we are having these debates. And even though it seems like an ever-losing battle, my hope is that we can all be educated enough and band together on things that unite us to fight back against surveillance society…

Yeah but doesn’t it feel like a race to the bottom? I mean, it feels like our politicians think country X is doing it so we (western democracy) better too, or risk losing global position in military/economy/etc

What's the alternative? As an informed civilian you cannot just let it happen imo.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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post #43

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But the end does not justify the means, due to the fact that it is a violation of their 4th Amendment specifically the right to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects. Illegal searches are illegal no matter the sound basis after the fact. As an order of our society, historically police where not supposed to go looking for crime. They where commissioned to enforce the law. One cannot enforce the law b…

All of that is true, and nonetheless the parent comment stands: it will be rhetorically more convincing if you show how this negatively impacts the law-abiding.

Let’s start with the same scenario: cameras are placed inside a home to try to catch you packing drugs except... it turns out you’re not a drug dealer. So they wait, and wait, and the whole time record everything going on in your house. Your arguments with your wife, your “romantic time”, the ridiculous things your kids say.

Doesn’t that feel like a huge violation of your privacy?

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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We really need these things to be Closed Circuit by law. Want the data? Get a warrant and seize the device physically. Centralized databases of surveillance information needs to be outlawed criminally.

You can buy closed circuit cameras for the past 40 years. People buy Ring to avoid the in-home infrastructure.

Hence, by law.

A legal mandate avoids the race-to-the-bottom trend.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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And this is just state surveillance. There’s a guy who’s building a private surveillance network in San Francisco, with the buy in of the District Attorney and local police departments, and a goal of complete surveillance of city streets. https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.nytimes.c...

De-AMPlified: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/technology/britain-survei...

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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You can buy closed circuit cameras for the past 40 years. People buy Ring to avoid the in-home infrastructure.

Hence, by law . A legal mandate avoids the race-to-the-bottom trend.

What race to the bottom? It’s a choice. People like having choices.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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Hence, by law . A legal mandate avoids the race-to-the-bottom trend.

What race to the bottom? It’s a choice. People like having choices.

When "choice" effectively limits societal options or generates massive externalities and/or long-term unpredictable impacts, all parties upon whom the "choice" impacts are not given voice, or choice.

Often commonweal is a better guiding light than "choice".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_the_bottom

Sophie Zawistowska was offered a choice. Did her utility benefit by it?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DZ9bht5H2p4

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