2027? I guess to install 6G
> UK's mobile providers are being banned from buying new Huawei 5G equipment after 31 December 2020
Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027
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#92I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is 5G really already “critical”? I thought it was only just starting to be phased in when the virus became more important to worry about.
It isn't just 5G, Huawei equipment is used throughout the telecom industry.
Which does raise the question, why are we concerned about 5G when Huawei is presumably also behind much of the 4G and other existing infrastructure? What's the difference in terms of security risk?
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#94I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…
Yo "Andy", you have nothing to offer by way of why huawei should not be banned. You go on a rant about racism and western war crimes which even if true don't imply that huawei is innocent and should not be banned.
You my friend are a nut case or more likely a CCP sympathizer if not an bloody agent.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
A prison is not a concentration camp, US has a justice system with the right to trial and appeal, and if the people in prison actually committed crimes then I'm not sure what the problem is.
Many people in prison in the US did not commit the crime they were accused of; thanks to wildly inflated sentencing, many people choose a 1-year plea bargain over a 10-15 year roll of the dice.
> Many people in prison in the US did not commit crimes;
By all means cite %, and still does not make it a concentration camp.
Further the DAs are themselves elected locally in many jurisdictions or appointed by locally elected officials and people can vote for change if they want it.
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#96This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…
> It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities.
Very simple explanation: it's impossible, unless the West can mow the rogue regimes left, and right, and is ready for a war with a nuclear power to do that.
> When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has.
Expecting a communist party to "liberalise" is effectively to expect it to kick itself out of power. The moment they loose power, their people will murder them. And if people wouldn't, then it would be their internal factions who will strangle each other without an iron handed big boss at the top maintaining internal order.
There is no way out for them. Their only way to avoid being torn apart alive is to stay in power, and their only way to stay in power is to exert, push, and expand it.
For them, to stop repressions, means to let their enemies to take the proverbial rifle from which barrel's the power grows, and to seal their fate, essentially to voluntarily chose death.
Any totalitarian system has an expiration date for this very reason.
In case of China, what that means is an instant gulag, or worse for 5 political dynasties:
1. Few remnants of Mao, and his wife's reign, and their confidants for, well, everything.
2. Deng Xiaoping's era communist billionaires, who will have to return millions they stole from the state in eighties.
3. Shanghai people, and Jiang, who will have to at least surrender their posts, and titles which they bought, and sold illegally, and all privileges coming with them.
4. Hu's clique, whose members will have to surrender their businesses, and stocks which they got through connections
5. And finally, Xi, and his friends, who managed to make a bigger mess in their 8 years in power, than the three previous dynasties combined.
Put it simply, do you expect a thief to voluntarily give a gun to the person whom he just robbed? An expectation that the West can share the planet with rogue regimes, is an expectation that a kleptomaniac, and a really rich person can live under the same roof. Even if the later can keep the former compliant under a gunpoint for some time, eventually the former succumbs to his urges, and the later has to shoot.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
China puts their own citizens in concentration camps. They're using machine learning to generate social scores. If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave. Try doing that in China. Dying in a free zone is preferable to the enslavement that the Chinese are subjected to. Freedom has a price, and it's not racist to not like these horrible cultural values or to go against them.
You can leave China. There are millions of Chinese nationals living overseas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai
Can you though?
Gui Minhai was a Hong Kong bookseller who had become a Swedish citizen. He was kidnapped while in Thailand and was moved to China. There he was denied consular access.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
A prison is not a concentration camp, US has a justice system with the right to trial and appeal, and if the people in prison actually committed crimes then I'm not sure what the problem is.
Many people in prison in the US did not commit the crime they were accused of; thanks to wildly inflated sentencing, many people choose a 1-year plea bargain over a 10-15 year roll of the dice.
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#99If this is just Realpolitik/hardware independence, fine, but security..? Any worthwhile Internet traffic should be encrypted in 2020, and if it isn’t, Huawei probably isn’t the most immediate concern. And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? Comments welcome, I know zilch about telecoms hardware.
You probably wouldn’t see a browser as a security risk either. In a recent example, all the big Chinese browsers blocked or rewrote the content on GitHub’s 996 repo. Imagine if Chinese browsers became mainstream, then they could rewrite Wikipedia articles, insert their own links/propaganda in google results, Facebook feeds, change download links to include a version bundled with spyware, etc. They already demonstrated that they’re willing to do it with the GitHub repo.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure it's just a China-US thing. I think Europe will increasingly find itself taking a role. India too. To clarify, while US-China superficially seem like the 'sides'. Really, what I think is happening is that the values of many (especially Western) countries around human rights, democracy, freedom of religion and expression, are coming into conflict with a new kind of Chinese authoritarianism that really doe…
Enough of your nonsense. You don't have the higher moral grounds when it comes to human rights. How many Muslims have been killed during the wars in the middle east? Stop smoking crack already and getting high on koolaid.
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