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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by jaekash »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #10
macspoofing wrote: post #2

The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.

The alternative to Huawei in 5G is either Nokia or Ericsson. As an European I don't what to think that the US seems so against kit from a Chinese company and completely fine with kit from an European company. They should be worried about both. We also have a long term world domination plan (version 2.0)... ;)

The only way this makes sense is abstract of any value judgements, and yes sure, if we in the west ignore that everything about the Chinese Communist Party and how it conducts itself is an affront to our values then it makes no difference. But we are humans, we have values, we make value judgements.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by blhack »

krona wrote: post #22
tomfanning wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not dissimilar to how face masks are being made compulsory in shops by the British government. In 11 days' time.

You're assuming everyone who must to go to a shop in the next 11 days already have in their possession an appropriate face covering; the definition of which is as yet unknown.

If the face masks are that essential (which they probably are): wrap a t shirt around your face.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #30

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by dazc »

ben_w wrote: post #20
nicky0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably it's about judging what is an acceptable degree of risk vs stripping out all Huawei equipment immediately and effecively crippling the nation's comms infrastrtucture.

Is 5G really already “critical”? I thought it was only just starting to be phased in when the virus became more important to worry about.

It isn't just 5G, Huawei equipment is used throughout the telecom industry.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by ardit33 »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #30

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by bluerobotcat »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #30

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…

I don't understand how you can give 'American cops routinely kill people' as an example of human rights violations that are being ignored.

Is change lacking? Yes. Is there outrage? Also yes.

Of course, had you were to make the point that Western politicians are complete hypocrites then I would wholeheartedly agree. Although, I also don't think that's a uniquely Western phenomenon.

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Post by flohofwoe »

room271 wrote: post #9

This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

I think the simplistic sort of thinking that capitalism and human rights are 'inseparable' from each other and can be 'exported' like Coca Cola or Blue Jeans is just a leftover from the Cold War. The reality is much more complicated unfortunately, together with the slowly growing realisation that the USA has quickly lost it's 'role model' status as the leader of the 'Free World' after the Cold War has ended.

The West needed 30 years to realize that (some are still working on this I think) because it thought that it had actually 'won' the Cold War through it's actions during the Cold War, when the reality was much more likely that the East had collapsed also without much 'help' from the West.

The countries on the 'losing side' in this battle of ideologies (like the Soviet Union and China) had adapted to this new reality much more quickly, both in different ways though, but none of them copied the 'obviously superior' model of the Free West.

Of course hindsight is 20/20, but sometimes I've got the impression that many people in the West still wear their rose-tinted Cold War glasses ;)

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by mytailorisrich »

hrktb wrote: post #40
strogonoff wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps having to take a side in this is not necessarily a negative? Better sooner rather than later.

From a EU/UK perspective there’s no good coming from it. It’s like being caught in a fight between your drunk uncle and your berserk cousin.

There is definitely good coming out of it for the EU.

Europe does not have to align with either side. It is a superpower in its own right if it gets its shit together (one can dream).

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