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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by mytailorisrich »

room271 wrote: post #9

This kind of thing is going to play out a lot over the next few years. It's a tough question: how to marry globalisation with the political realities. When China was very poor, it didn't really matter, or perhaps the assumption was that China would liberalise more quickly than it has. But China, while increasingly mature economically, has not developed proper civil society, human rights, freedom of expression, democr…

Whether China liberalise is a red herring.

This is a geopolitical clash of power. It's not about respective political regimes, it's about relative power and influence. If China liberalises tomorrow none of the fundamental issues will change and China will still be a threat to the US. The only thing that will change is that the US will have to find something else in order to label China 'evil'.

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Post by krona »

tomfanning wrote: post #7
gberger wrote: post #4

The justification is that the equipment presents a national security risk. If that's true, how is it reasonable to allow this equipment to operate in the UK for 7 more years? Doesn't that mean the UK is willingly under national security risk for 7 years? Unless, of course, there was never a security risk...

Not dissimilar to how face masks are being made compulsory in shops by the British government. In 11 days' time.

You're assuming everyone who must to go to a shop in the next 11 days already have in their possession an appropriate face covering; the definition of which is as yet unknown.

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Post by ben_w »

nicky0 wrote: post #19
tomfanning wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not dissimilar to how face masks are being made compulsory in shops by the British government. In 11 days' time.

Future-dating it is a sensible move to allow people to get used to the idea, to disseminate the news, and to allow time to obtain the necessary equipment. It will increase compliance compared to an immediate rule change. Bear in mind that only about 5%-10% of people in UK currently are wearing masks in shops (based on my own local observations).

While that is true, these rules should’ve been brought in months ago.

(Also: do people really need more than one week?)

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Post by est31 »

macspoofing wrote: post #2

The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.

A resolution is difficult. China is a totalitarian country and totalitarianism needs to be fought, but I doubt that a democratic China would be any different when it comes to their claims to the world. They'd want to expand just as they want to expand now. Just look at the various western colonial empires of history. Many of them were democracies in some form or fashion.

Any long term resolution to the conflict has to involve the realization that China has had 100 bad years and now has a giant comeback. And that the US has had 60 good years but now large parts of it decline.

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Post by krona »

gberger wrote: post #4

The justification is that the equipment presents a national security risk. If that's true, how is it reasonable to allow this equipment to operate in the UK for 7 more years? Doesn't that mean the UK is willingly under national security risk for 7 years? Unless, of course, there was never a security risk...

Many things represent a national security risk. Switching off the equipment overnight, I would argue, also represents a risk to national security.

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Post by ceilingcorner »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #10
macspoofing wrote: post #2

The China-US tensions are not going to get better, and, in fact, will get worse as years go by. More and more nations will be forced to choose sides. It's not good and I'm not sure what a resolution even looks like.

The alternative to Huawei in 5G is either Nokia or Ericsson. As an European I don't what to think that the US seems so against kit from a Chinese company and completely fine with kit from an European company. They should be worried about both. We also have a long term world domination plan (version 2.0)... ;)

Maybe the fact that one is a totalitarian state and the other is an ally?

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Post by geogra4 »

gberger wrote: post #4

The justification is that the equipment presents a national security risk. If that's true, how is it reasonable to allow this equipment to operate in the UK for 7 more years? Doesn't that mean the UK is willingly under national security risk for 7 years? Unless, of course, there was never a security risk...

Right. I think it's mostly just to keep the US happy.

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Post by boopmaster »

tomfanning wrote: post #7
gberger wrote: post #4

The justification is that the equipment presents a national security risk. If that's true, how is it reasonable to allow this equipment to operate in the UK for 7 more years? Doesn't that mean the UK is willingly under national security risk for 7 years? Unless, of course, there was never a security risk...

Not dissimilar to how face masks are being made compulsory in shops by the British government. In 11 days' time.

yet, dissimilar in so many ways (number of manufacturers, ease of access, cost, offenses against fellow humans notwithstanding)

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by AndyMcConachie »

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests?

The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism. I'm no defender of China, but let's recognize that the same nations trying to punish China because 'human rights'(US, UK) are the same ones responsible for killing close to 1 million Iraqis and creating the largest humanitarian crisis on earth(Yemen).

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