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Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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Ironic that the application won't load in Firefox without disabling Enhanced Tracking Protection because it relies on third party access to storage.

I just loaded the map by itself in its own tab [0].

I think it just wasn't tested very well in Firefox. The third party map is blanking out for me at widths over 2048 pixels in a Firefox window. That's what I get for using an ultrawide monitor, I guess.

[0] https://mediaprogram.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/interactiv...

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing inherently wrong with parallel construction, it just means concealing a source. It seems like you have probably leant the term in the context of illegally obtained information, but that is orthogonal to concealing a source. Parallel construction is a completely normal and legitimate process. People who use it like a spooky term akin to "enhanced interrogation" or "extraordinary rendition" are just lo…

If I am accused of a crime, I have the right to face my accusers and contest all of the evidence against me. Parallel construction is deliberately depriving me of that right, by lying in court. The fact that it's common shouldn't make us lose track of that.

This isn't a very good argument against parallel construction, because you are able to contest all of the evidence being used in court against you.

I don't think arguing against the legitimacy of the investigative means used to acquire evidence is ever an admissible argument by which to contest that evidence before a jury. If those investigative means were a poisonous tree, that's an argument you make to the judge to preclude admission of that evidence in the first place, before either side gets to contest any evidence.

I think lawyering over whether parallel construction is lying or not is tactically silly. You'll be on much firmer ground arguing that parallel constructions completely undercuts the point of the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine, which is to disincentivize illegal means of investigation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you don't have an absolute right to know all the details of how an investigation was conducted. You don't necessarily get to see the intelligence that supported a search warrant, for example.

You do in the US.

Even in the US there are exceptions, like the state secrets privilege:

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/state-secrets-privilege

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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Let us not forget the Netsential leak from #BlueLeaks a few weeks ago. Netsential.com [1] was a Houston-based software dev, hosting, and cloud provider. I lived most of my life in Houston, and they are loosely connected to an old ISP called Texas.net and a more recent data center company called Data Foundry. Something like 630+ websites were hosted by Netsential. All of them DHS fusion centers, multi state intel shar…

that is an incredible connection. thank you for sharing. im glad im not the only one who has read most of the Snowden leaks, and whenever anything new happens like a big hack or leak, i go back and search the Snowden files to see if there are any connections.

in that list of program names, i remember seeing WILDCHOCOBO and DARKTHUNDER in other Snowden files.

here is WILDCHOCOBO

https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/SPINALTAPMakingPassive...

page 19 of that is very very interesting. it lists around 100 NSA programs that are all part of some kind of global passive CNE implanted on hundreds of servers that provides ingest/exfil to feed back home into XKEYSCORE.

DARKTHUNDER is also on there.

the odd thing is that slidedeck is about NSA program JOLLYROGER tracking SD cards via their unique hardware volume IDs.

why would NSA TAO be hacking MSPs like Netsential at all? why is NSA spying on Fusion Centers, who get their reports from FBI, who themselves got the data to write the reports from NSA SIGINT? why is NSA spying on regional and local Law Enforcement further down the food chain? NSA already has that data. NSA wouldnt even need to use TAO and CNE to collect data from Netsentia. They could just ask for the data.

my best guess is it's some kind of Inside Threat monitoring system. TAO hacks into those systems to install CNE implants that watch for SD cards being inserted, to detect rogue Fusion Center and LE personnel who are bulk stealing files by copying them onto SD cards.

but that seems like a really dumb thing to do. why not just disable the SD card readers and/or remove the hardware? a PC in a Fusion Center shouldnt even have an SD card reader.

ironic, since Snowden roughly implied in his recent autobiography that the way he stole millions of NSA's top secret files was by sneaker net'ing them home using SD cards.

LOL NSA has been screwing up its defense against SD cards for at least a decade and that screw up is what made Snowden possible.

i bet dozens of Russian and Chinese and Israeli moles have stolen far more than Snowden ever took from NSA using

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#67
Surveillance just going to get worse in the US Why?

There has been a police shortage since the early 2010's where most departments only had a 1/3 of the manpower that was needed. Now with public sentiment against the police, I'm sure the police shortages will increase, eventually forcing the government to rely on more surveillance, AI, and robotics to fill the gap.

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This already happens. I once had a conversation with a Homeland Security officer at a backyard BBQ, and he said: "When you see on the news that Police randomly stopped a car and discovered a huge cache of drugs... you don't actually think that's random, do you?" TBH I had never thought about it before but now I recognize this pattern everywhere.

Yes, it already happens and that's why it's a problem. If they discovered that they should "randomly" pull over that vehicle through evidence that was gathered illegally, then it should also be considered a violation of the 4th amendment... which is likely why the EFF has launched this project.

It would be interesting - and likely amusing - to extrapolate how many people must be driving around with huge caches of drugs, based on an assumption that purportedly unrelated traffic stops (or equivalent) were in fact random samples.

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Let us not forget the Netsential leak from #BlueLeaks a few weeks ago. Netsential.com [1] was a Houston-based software dev, hosting, and cloud provider. I lived most of my life in Houston, and they are loosely connected to an old ISP called Texas.net and a more recent data center company called Data Foundry. Something like 630+ websites were hosted by Netsential. All of them DHS fusion centers, multi state intel shar…

one more thing...

presumably those other 15 IPs are MSPs similar to Netsentia. maybe Phineas Phisher better target those IPs to breach and leak them too.

now that i think of it, maybe every IP address appearing in any Snowden leak should be probed to see if it still leads to interesting goodies.

Re: Atlas of Surveillance

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Let us not forget the Netsential leak from #BlueLeaks a few weeks ago. Netsential.com [1] was a Houston-based software dev, hosting, and cloud provider. I lived most of my life in Houston, and they are loosely connected to an old ISP called Texas.net and a more recent data center company called Data Foundry. Something like 630+ websites were hosted by Netsential. All of them DHS fusion centers, multi state intel shar…

that is an incredible connection. thank you for sharing. im glad im not the only one who has read most of the Snowden leaks, and whenever anything new happens like a big hack or leak, i go back and search the Snowden files to see if there are any connections. in that list of program names, i remember seeing WILDCHOCOBO and DARKTHUNDER in other Snowden files. here is WILDCHOCOBO https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/S…

My concern is similar to yours. By hacking and subverting everything, the NSA paved the way / "presented a picture of what was possible" to rogue foreign governments. The US was unprepared for this, and once it was realized, we couldn't even morally accuse them of wrong due to NSA past...

I think US agencies have sort of realized this mistake now, and actually for the last couple of years. The former NSA directors have said some revealing comments that reflect pretty authentic looking doubt, shame, and guilt over the various pathways programs took (with the exception of perhaps Admiral John Poindexter).

Perhaps agencies like the DHS, which when it was created was the largest reorganization of government since the Department of Defense was created in 1947, have not yet learned...

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