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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

_jal wrote: post #165

_tbyy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here is not recognizing that the piracy was actually the problem. In what way was it forgivable? Because everybody does it, that makes it okie dokie? Because you don't have a Netflix account? If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) then no one would have to waste their time investigating it because the collective will would exist to prevent it.

> If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) Then everybody would be as wrong as you. You can repeat this as much as you like, but it is simply false. Legally speaking: copyright infringement is an offense distinct from theft. Speaking from reality: copyright infringement does not deprive the holder of the right of their property. Speaking ethically: Copyright infringement is a violation of a particular commercial m…

You know a forum has turned to shit when the mob down-votes the facts.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by razakel » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

larntz wrote: post #124

andrewstuart2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That, and you should know that there is almost certainly history of who had which IP address when; it's not going to be the same DHCP server running on your small router. If you download something, get a new IP, and the ISP gets a complaint for your old IP, they have that data and may be obligated legally to do something about it.

In the long long ago I worked at a small regional ISP. We offered dial-up and dsl. Users were assigned whatever IP was available when they connected, and this was logged (including disconnect time). So, it was very easy to search the logs and see who was using an IP at a given time in the past (assuming we still had the logs).

Earlier this year there was a case where someone was accessing illegal stuff (as in, the sort of stuff that does warrant police kicking their door down at 4am) using public WiFi.

Except the ISP had forgotten to take into account daylight savings time and given the police the wrong customer's details. Oops.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by martindbp » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

d33 wrote: post #162

This part is outright creepy: > We cooperate with Right Holders, Law Offices, Internet Service Providers, Advertising Agencies and National Police. We provide information about sharing/downloading content via Bittorrent Network all over the world. It's one thing to collect this as some sort of research, but another to feed MAFIAA [1] with this data to make their job easier. The fact that they process the data without…

Is that acronym deliberate? "Are we the baddies"?

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by albertshin » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

Of course, "The Man in the High Castle" would be the most pirated series in North Korea [1]!

[1]: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/stat/KP/annual/2020

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by sli » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

This is honestly fascinating if you're a VPN user.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by krzyk » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

flak48 wrote: post #89

An intern once thought it was a good idea to torrent a couple of Game of Thrones episodes using my startup's Digital Ocean box. We found out after Digital Ocean forwarded us an email from HBO (who presumably tracked Digital Ocean down via the IP) that we were engaging in piracy. We sent an email to everyone with access, saying whoever was doing it to stop. Then we got a second email (a final warning). Everyone denied…

One needs to remember to cover their tracks :)

When I was young and stupid (at least more than now) I did some pranks using dormitory server, and knew that I should clean bash history (actually using a single space before command did that).

But what I didn't know was that vim also has a history of commands :) server admin wasn't happy.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

_tbyy wrote: post #125

flak48 wrote: post #89

An intern once thought it was a good idea to torrent a couple of Game of Thrones episodes using my startup's Digital Ocean box. We found out after Digital Ocean forwarded us an email from HBO (who presumably tracked Digital Ocean down via the IP) that we were engaging in piracy. We sent an email to everyone with access, saying whoever was doing it to stop. Then we got a second email (a final warning). Everyone denied…

The problem here is not recognizing that the piracy was actually the problem. In what way was it forgivable? Because everybody does it, that makes it okie dokie? Because you don't have a Netflix account? If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) then no one would have to waste their time investigating it because the collective will would exist to prevent it.

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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by jlengrand » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

Orochikaku wrote: post #154

jlengrand wrote: post #138

Interestingly, I used to download a lot of torrents years ago. When Spotify came along, it dropped at least 80%. Add Netflix and Steam and I haven't used torrents in a very long while actually. Simply because everything I need is available at an affordable price. However, seeing how many streaming services are popping up lately, each with their own specialty and each wanting my money, (and seeing how crappy free Yout…

As Gabe Newell once said, "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem”

That is a very fitting quote indeed.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by pathseeker » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

jermier wrote: post #56

Luckily my router only supports IPV4 and I'm assigned a vague IPv4 CGNAT IP every time I switch it on. I used this site to do some OSINT on my IP and you guessed it: It looks like I'm sharing my IP with 1000s of other subscribers so doing attribution to 'me' would be hard and also wouldn't hold up in court. Also see: https://www.eff.org/de/deeplinks/2011/08/why-ip-addresses-al... https://www.securityweek.com/eff-warn…

Be careful with this, your ISP can easily record the NAT translations and going to your ISP with a connection 5-tuple would be enough to track it back to you.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 5:07 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #44

Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Well my ISP gives out a dynamic IP address each time my DSL modem connects to them, so this tactic only reveals who downloaded what when they were assigned my current IP. Nothing much can be inferred from this data unless you are the ISP or govt and can tie the IP to the subscriber. And yes, it shows my IP downloaded the movie Zombieland, which I never did, so it is some other subscriber of the same ISP.

Nowadays internet users on cable often keep the same IP address for weeks if not months. Who knows, your ISP could change its configuration tomorrow and always re-assign the same IP address to you as long as its available. I think the point of this website is to show people that using torrents is far from anonymous and invisible.

Yup.

I had the same IP address for the entire 3 years I lived in an apartment. Even telling my router to release and renew the IP would still give me the same IP. Only when I moved to a new house (and still used the same ISP) did my IP change.