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John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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Post by schwartzworld »

htk wrote: post #100
ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #83

Political correctness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. For all the right likes to bitch about cancel culture, they are always the ones who go: "you just lost a fan/customer!"

“Vote with your wallet” is very different than actively making sure everyone else’s wallet is shut for that business. Cancel culture is not about your right to not do business with X, is about trying to destroy X just because you don’t agree with it.

just to clarify:

you're saying it's ok to vote with your wallet, but not good to try and get other people to do the same?

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

#102

Post by htk »

schwartzworld wrote: post #101
htk wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Vote with your wallet” is very different than actively making sure everyone else’s wallet is shut for that business. Cancel culture is not about your right to not do business with X, is about trying to destroy X just because you don’t agree with it.

just to clarify: you're saying it's ok to vote with your wallet, but not good to try and get other people to do the same?

To let your opinion known? Sure! To force other people to think like you? No!

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

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Post by jakkyboi »

ceejayoz wrote: post #47
qqj wrote: post #45

Assuming the majority of hn is US-based, you folks have to understand that PC culture is often seen as a joke at best and an extension of typical American hypocrisy at worst (i.e. the usual double-speak and fake politeness that covers actual opinions and motivations). Sure, the PC/SJW wave is gaining momentum outside of the US as well, as the cultural influence is significant but it still remains an odd thing for mos…

> just look at the Gillette ads Decrying political correctness and then complaining Gilette ran an ad with a message you didn't like , to the point of calling it oppression , is just... amazing. Is this satire?

it sadly is not, these are genuine takes

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

#104

Post by jakkyboi »

htk wrote: post #102
schwartzworld wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just to clarify: you're saying it's ok to vote with your wallet, but not good to try and get other people to do the same?

To let your opinion known? Sure! To force other people to think like you? No!

Who's being forced to do anything by people not patronizing a business?

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

#105

Post by ATsch »

This is like a bingo chart of right-wing fearmongering rhetoric. Because it's hard to sympathize with a rich comedian who can't make some jokes without criticism anymore, you have to spin it up into this grand narrative of how this is actually the end of civilized society itself. Unless, of course, we[1] start "fighting back". Whatever horrible thing "fighting back" actually entails in the current context is completely obscured by that point.

[1] meaning "rich white male people like me"

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

#106

Post by ATsch »

seneca wrote: post #25
Avshalom wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said it and what views they hold is important for distinguishing between what they technically said and what they actually said.

> Who said it and what views they hold is important for distinguishing between what they technically said and what they actually said. Would you mind clarifying the difference between the two for me? It sounds an awful lot like we're talking about thought crimes.

Proposing the idea that people do not always make arguments in good faith or say what they actually mean is "thought crime"?

Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)

#107

Post by schwartzworld »

htk wrote: post #102
schwartzworld wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just to clarify: you're saying it's ok to vote with your wallet, but not good to try and get other people to do the same?

To let your opinion known? Sure! To force other people to think like you? No!

Can you name one example of someone being forced to think like someone else using these tactics?
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