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Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by rwmj »

fermienrico wrote: post #185
notaround1111 wrote: post #178

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I've also noticed a large influx of new accounts posting low quality, politically charged comments in the past few months. You can find plenty of those in this thread. I think its pretty likely that we're headed for an extinction type event for upvote based "anonymous" message boards like HN, reddit ... or at least a significant decline in their usefulness

What's a good alternative architecture that promotes quality content/comments and prevents regression short of manual compilation, moderation and curation? Edit: Jotting down some ideas: 1) Occlude/Delude/Fog-up the votes for newly created accounts. Mature accounts get to see gray posts. 2) Consesus amongst mature accounts has higher weight over newly created accounts. 3) Penalty for being flagged is higher for matur…

Slashdot only gave out a small number of moderator points per day (5 IIRC). Also you could not moderate and post on the same topic, which means you cannot downvote opposing views so easily.

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Post by room271 »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #192
jorblumesea wrote: post #175

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Why do you have to visit the country to commit crimes against that country? Isn't that how every sovereign nation state works? The host country can choose not to extradite, but most countries generally accept this basic idea that sovereign nations can charge and warrant the arrest of individuals as pertinent.

If Assange leaked Chinese intelligence secrets, would he be free right now? I expect so. I'm not sure the whole "China is uniquely evil" idea that is expressed in these comments stands up to even the smallest scrutiny.

There is a difference between China is 'uniquely evil' and 'China has an especially bad record on human rights and fair enforcement of the law.' Remember, in China there is pretty much no freedom of thought, including religion. And they are oppressing 3 large groups of people - Tibet, Xinjiang, and now Hong Kong. Of course it is not a binary good/bad thing, but some kind of false moral equivalence between China and Western countries is just as ridiculous and harmful.

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Post by TinkersW »

poiuytrewqa wrote: post #60
justwalt wrote: post #42

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I’d imagine it’s far easier to be sentenced to death there as opposed to the US.

To be honest, as European I think China and US are pretty similar in many ways (propaganda, law enforcement etc). So said each country has their own problem but if anybody focus more on resolving their internal problem before teaching everybody how to live would be better. In this forum is very hard to discuss anything serious that doesn't follow the prevalent opinion that you get down votes without reason.

You do understand that much of the news you read about the US is wildly exaggerated?

Having traveled and met various young Europeans they were often suffering from amazingly ignorant ideas about life in the US(particularly the Germans).

One couple was scared they might get shot while traveling along coastal California. Surprise, gun violence is not evenly distributed, most Americans don't encounter any gun violence.

Police violence? Never seen any except on TV. Weird hu?

Seems to be plenty of propaganda in your own news media, why do you think you are equating China & USA?

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Post by shadowprofile77 »

mthoms wrote: post #190
koheripbal wrote: post #183

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What do you think the conviction rates in western courts are? It's pretty close to 99% as well.

You literally just made that up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

No he didn't. The link itself shows both the lower 2018 percentages from the justice statistics bureau and also mentions the 2012 DOJ 93% rate. No clear explanation is given for the divergence over those years or how it fits together overall but he didn't lie about the source.

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by shripadk »

swayson wrote: post #91
shripadk wrote: post #64

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China is the bully here. Just see what they are doing at the borders with India at Galwan Valley! I don't see how you can come to that conclusion! US is doing the right thing!

http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/730000/Co...

You are confusing military bases with expansion. Having a military base is not the same as claiming territory. This is the maritime boundary claimed by China: https://i2.wp.com/thegeopolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017...

China has illegally extended its maritime boundaries to include boundaries of other ASEAN countries (read up on UNCLOS: [2] and what is considered International Waters and what is not. It even lost a legal battle with Philippines [3] but still continues to illegally expand its maritime boundaries). It can lead to blockade of essential goods and services including oil and gas to Japan and South Korea. US doesn't claim any of those lands or sea except for the base where it has military presence. All major powers in the World have military bases spread across the globe. None of them are considered "expansionist". Many of those bases are setup either through an agreement with the Country in possession of the land or by leasing it. The bases can be removed at any time. But China is claiming territory. Both are totally different! So yes I stand by my point: China is the bully here!

It is doing the same in India as well. Expansion. Please don't compare the two again!

[2]: https://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unc...

[3]: https://qz.com/733012/it-is-beijings-fault-that-china-lost-b...

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Post by dehrmann »

mgeorge001 wrote: post #162
dehrmann wrote: post #100

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Trump's tactics with China haven't been great, but he was right to do something about Chinese IP theft, security concerns, and Chinese joint venture model. The US should have pushed forward with the TPP (blame starts with Obama on this) to build regional support, and not pushed hard for trade negotiations with strategic allies. WTF are you doing making Canada mad over trade, especially when there's a trade war with C…

How does "blame start with Obama on this"? Donald Trump withdrew the US signature from TPP in January 2017.

Looking back through old news, in 2016, Clinton was not in favor of the deal, probably because of the anti-globalist faction in her party. Trump was against it because America first...which is slightly different.

I think I blamed Obama a bit because it looked like all outcomes of the election lead to no TPP, so he didn't push it hard enough, didn't negotiate hard enough to at least get Clinton to support it, or didn't rush it through while he was in power. It felt like he saw it wasn't going to happen and gave up. Maybe it's not fair to put some of this on Obama, Trump was the one who made it official.

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Post by mthoms »

shadowprofile77 wrote: post #234
mthoms wrote: post #190

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You literally just made that up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

No he didn't. The link itself shows both the lower 2018 percentages from the justice statistics bureau and also mentions the 2012 DOJ 93% rate. No clear explanation is given for the divergence over those years or how it fits together overall but he didn't lie about the source.

Re-read the part where they said "western courts".

Also, that 93% number is Federal only. As per the link, the state numbers range (roughly) from the low 60's to the low 80's.

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Post by trixie_ »

dragonwriter wrote: post #195
trixie_ wrote: post #182

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Sure bully China some more. Today they're kicking out foreigners, tomorrow they will take Taiwan. No dobut. Just like the world stood by as Hong Kong fell, the same will happen with Taiwan. China is only testing the waters with Hong Kong. That's what being tough is all about. Be careful what you wish for.

> Just like the world stood by as Hong Kong fell Hong Kong was already PRC-administered Chinese territory.

We tell ourselves that to help us sleep at night. We'll think of a good excuse for Taiwan as well.

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Post by newen »

room271 wrote: post #232
IllogicalLogic wrote: post #192

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If Assange leaked Chinese intelligence secrets, would he be free right now? I expect so. I'm not sure the whole "China is uniquely evil" idea that is expressed in these comments stands up to even the smallest scrutiny.

There is a difference between China is 'uniquely evil' and 'China has an especially bad record on human rights and fair enforcement of the law.' Remember, in China there is pretty much no freedom of thought, including religion. And they are oppressing 3 large groups of people - Tibet, Xinjiang, and now Hong Kong. Of course it is not a binary good/bad thing, but some kind of false moral equivalence between China and W…

The US has been oppressing indigenous people, black people, and communists for decades and decades. And crackdown on protests against equal application of the law for mainland and a territory after letting the protests run on for a whole year is barely controversial. Everyone should compare China against the West without seeing China as some unique evil.

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Post by aembleton »

ur-whale wrote: post #223
nabla9 wrote: post #34

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Chinese government is constantly challenging the validity of foreign passport if the person is ethnically Han Chinese. Governments must apply diplomatic pressure go get their citizens free.

> if the person is ethnically Han Chinese How do they ascertain that? DNA testing?

Probably just by looking at them.
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