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Post by jki275 »

koheripbal wrote: post #28
eplanit wrote: post #6

I get the impression that we're now in an undeclared Cold War with China.

The Cold War had regular threats of nuclear annihilation as well as constant military testing of each other's response times and perimeter. There are no Chinese nuclear bombers violating US airspace forcing USAF jet scrambling. This is far far less antagonistic. ...at least for now.

China’s been in proxy wars with the US for maybe seventy years or so if my numbers are right.

It’s not the same exactly as Russia, but there are parallels.

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by [deleted] »

fermienrico wrote: post #210
FpUser wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "It is not too difficult for a foreign power to get 300 accounts on HN with 300 IPs, and have a farm of employees manipulating votes on HN" It does not have to be "foreign power". To me it looks like HN has groups of "concerned participants" on either side of a fence.

There is no data to prove my assertion and your rebuttal.

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Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by ur-whale »

nabla9 wrote: post #34
wendyshu wrote: post #8

Not just arrested but tortured, as we've seen with the two Canadian Michaels and the British Simon Cheng. Edit: British-employed not actually British

Chinese government is constantly challenging the validity of foreign passport if the person is ethnically Han Chinese. Governments must apply diplomatic pressure go get their citizens free.

> if the person is ethnically Han Chinese

How do they ascertain that? DNA testing?

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by FpUser »

fermienrico wrote: post #210
FpUser wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "It is not too difficult for a foreign power to get 300 accounts on HN with 300 IPs, and have a farm of employees manipulating votes on HN" It does not have to be "foreign power". To me it looks like HN has groups of "concerned participants" on either side of a fence.

There is no data to prove my assertion and your rebuttal.

This is my own impression. This is what "to me it looks" stands for in my original reply. I do not have to prove it to others.

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Post by koheripbal »

grawprog wrote: post #66
koheripbal wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Cold War had regular threats of nuclear annihilation as well as constant military testing of each other's response times and perimeter. There are no Chinese nuclear bombers violating US airspace forcing USAF jet scrambling. This is far far less antagonistic. ...at least for now.

Well considering China's been harassing Philippino fishing boats and starting minor skirmishes along the Indian border. Both countries are trading partners and have ties with america and America's now sent naval forces to the south China sea. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a332183... The threat of nuclear war isn't the only thing that makes a cold war. It's the constant small economic, social an…

I think there's a pretty big psychological difference between harassing a fishing boat and threatening nuclear war.

Canada also harasses US fishing boats, fyi.

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/13/us/fishing-boat-dodges-gu...

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Post by lol636363 »

jki275 wrote: post #218
socialdemocrat wrote: post #197

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There is a serious problem with justice in the US though. We have in Norway seen cases of our citizens being unjustly imprisoned in the US through sham trials. While the US has protected people doing serious crime in Norway. I don’t defend China, but I wish the US held a much higher standard itself because it is hard for western countries to fight for justice and human rights when the US has such a poor record itself…

I would very much like to see a citation on this, because I’ve certainly never heard of it if true.

I believe they are talking about Wikileaks.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

jszymborski wrote: post #144
dehrmann wrote: post #86

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Aren't the Michaels just retaliation for Meng Wanzhou?

"just" retaliation... this makes their detention arbitrary. After Meng Wanzhou was arrested (and placed under house arrest in her multi-million dollar Vancouver mansion), the Chinese government arbitrarily picked two high-value Canadians (an entrepeneur and a Candian diplomat) and threw them into solitary confinement, interrogating them 24/7 in shifts, and giving ostensibly no access to lawyers/representation. Oh, an…

It's difficult to determine whether it is arbitrary (in the legal sense) because the Chinese government does not communicate on these issues and the Canadian government will obviously not want to spill any beans.

What is plain to me is that a Canadian guy who can live in China at the border with North Korea, can run a business there, and personally knows Kim Jung Un is not just any "entrepreneur"...

Likewise we cannot know exactly what "diplomat" means for someone stationed abroad (including Afghanistan, and Beijing).

I'm not defending the Chinese government but these 2 guys were clearly not arbitrarily picked, it's a little disingenuous to claim that they were.

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Post by kolanos »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #213
tristor wrote: post #191

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Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". Value judgements on whether that hegemony has been a net positive or net negative for the world, aside. I'd say your viewpoint of the world is not based on reality.

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The U.S. (1865) and Britain (1833) abolished slavery before China did.

> Slavery in China has taken various forms throughout history. Slavery was abolished as a legally recognized institution, including in a 1909 law fully enacted in 1910, although the practice continued until at least 1949. Illegal acts of forced labor and sexual slavery in China continue to occur in the twenty-first century, but those found guilty of such crimes are punished harshly.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China

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Post by TinkersW »

IllogicalLogic wrote: post #213
tristor wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you acknowledge that a global hegemony lead by the US currently exists, it certainly has not "for the past few centuries". Value judgements on whether that hegemony has been a net positive or net negative for the world, aside. I'd say your viewpoint of the world is not based on reality.

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Do you work for the CCP? Because you sure sound like you do.

Re: US citizens warned they face arbitrary arrest in China

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Post by koheripbal »

jki275 wrote: post #221
koheripbal wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Cold War had regular threats of nuclear annihilation as well as constant military testing of each other's response times and perimeter. There are no Chinese nuclear bombers violating US airspace forcing USAF jet scrambling. This is far far less antagonistic. ...at least for now.

China’s been in proxy wars with the US for maybe seventy years or so if my numbers are right. It’s not the same exactly as Russia, but there are parallels.

The same could be said for any two major world powers with conflicting interests.
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