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SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

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Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#31
As an Albanian who had left the country 4 days before those events, I think I should add a few comments.

While there had been unrest in 1997, there had been no civil unrest at the capital, Tirane, for about a year before this happened. Many embassies, including the U.S.A. one were opened. What sparked this unrest was the killing of an opposition politician. There were accusations that the government killed him. It is now mostly clear that the government didn't do it.

It is not clear to this day if the revolt was an attempted coup or not. There is a video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WjksCDho2Y, of the office of the prime minister burning on that day. One would assume that if there was a coup they wouldn't burn the office they intended to occupy. But protesters did occupy briefly the State TV and a member of the opposition appeared and said the situation was under control. The prime minister had left the country. The situation was stabilized by the American embassy who told the opposition that they would not recognize their government if they created one. That was enough to calm the situation in a few days. That was also the last time there was a major civil unrest in Albania (though the office of prime minister has been attacked a few more times).

No matter which side of politics would be in charge they meant no harm to the British interests. Given the respect that the people have for Britain and the legendary good treatment that the Albanians reserve for their guests, the risk to the Britsh embassy was very small. Clearly there could always be opportunistic criminals that can use the occasion to act while the police is not around, but the fact that no foreigners were hurt before, during or after the events should be good enough proof.

I take issue with the article's characterization that the protesters were shooting at his car. While I clearly wasn't there, unfortunately I had been present at other similar events and it was always the case that the protesters and anybody else involved were generally shooting on the air. If a bunch of armed men were really shooting at the car, the car would have been hit.

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#32
post #30

Never mind the SAS, who are sauntering around with flak jackets and armed to the teeth, it's Benny the driver, who volunteered to go on patrol with them, who is the coolest character in this story!

I wonder if Benny was a local Albanian. The fact that he spoke Albanian suggests that indeed he was. In that case his actual name would have been Beni (but pronounced Benny).

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#33

You can tell that they're well seasoned professional troops by the fact that they were comfortable enough to stop and get pizza.

Since the pizza shop was open, the situation at that place probably was not that dangerous. Most of the unrest was near the center of the city.

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#34
The reason for the "civil disturbance" in Albania in 1997-1998 is very interesting to study: the collapse of nation wide Ponzi schemes.

Several different Albanian Ponzi schemes were basically marketing themselves as banks, and they were real legitimate businesses with IT employees and salesmen and everything.

Eventually almost every Albanian had money tied up in these schemes in one way or another, and one by one they all started to go bust as the leaders ran away with the money or were otherwise unable to payout interest on deposits, or even return initial principal deposits.

As a result, the nation rioted, and the PM decided to flee.

Realizing this, certain elements in the Albanian population decided to raid the local police armories for military equipment of all times. And what resulted was an interesting and tragic case study of what happens when several different armed factions and many thousands of bandits begin to commit violence against anyone and everyone under the guise of "re-establishing law and order".

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#35

I spent a week in Albania last year and my experience couldn't be more opposite (obviously there's no civil war on at the moment). I love the place and it's mostly because of the people. Never have I met more friendly laid back and helpful people. For example, my airbnb host that I stayed with, for all of 2 nights, kept my large suitcase so I could spend the week in the south with just my carry-on bag. When I got bac…

I was in Albania in 2002-2007 several times and I was told it is very different today. At that time it was very peaceful and quiet compared to Kosovo (where we traveled in convoys guarded by armored carriers and helicopter gunships), Sarajevo (when landing on the Sarajevo airport, Apache helicopters were deploying flares to protect the civilian aircraft) or Belgrade (big holes visible in building walls from bombs).

The biggest problem 20 years ago was almost nobody was speaking any foreign language in the eastern part of the country and some were understanding Italian on the coast (they watched Italian TV a lot). I was not able to eat anything from Skopje, Macedonia, to the restaurant in Tirana were I went with some Albanian colleagues. I confirm the people were friendly and the country was strangely nice, the eastern part reminded me of Jordan (quite arid) and Tirana was a mess of driving too many cars with very inexperienced drivers on tiny roads and back alleys where you had inches on each side of the car. Their language sounds similar to mine, but it just sounds (not many common words), so the atmosphere in the restaurants was familiar and friendly, I felt like in a smaller city in Romania. At the Macedonian-Albanian border crossing I had a fantastic chance of meeting a guy who was speaking Romanian, we used to be a guard at the Albanian embassy in Bucharest and this is how I was able to cross the border, otherwise I was not able to communicate with anyone else in English, French, Italian or hand gestures.

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

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The reason for the "civil disturbance" in Albania in 1997-1998 is very interesting to study: the collapse of nation wide Ponzi schemes. Several different Albanian Ponzi schemes were basically marketing themselves as banks, and they were real legitimate businesses with IT employees and salesmen and everything. Eventually almost every Albanian had money tied up in these schemes in one way or another, and one by one the…

Indeed, a very good case to learn from for people saying "such things can't happen" in a modern civil state country.

Albania is of course not the best examples of a "Western" country, but it is far more than, say, what ex-Soviet states were.

Imagine a few big banks falling in the same manner in a particularly low point for ones country. In a few breakdowns of civil states so far, since the WW2, the prime majority fell to "lightning out of the blue"

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#37
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow commentators on Hacker News will even dismiss the work of the Special Air Service as 'not being that big a deal when you think about'.

Going into any hot zone as a small squad is always a big deal. There are always rouge actors and self interested individuals, that will exploit the lawlessness of a hot zone. Knowing how to deal with them can mean the difference between life and death. Most are like any other predator, looking for a easy meal without the risk of harm. These higher level soldiers (SAS, Seals, Delta Force, KSK, KSM) guys are trained in…

>There are always rouge actors and..

rogue, not rouge which would imply these actors have beautified themselves with cosmetics

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were able to do so because of diplomatic decision making. They landed a transport plane on an airport. That's not a feat of military might. It's one of having the same blue/yellow emblem somewhere on your plane as on the 10.5 million cartons of infant nutrition you distributed the year before. Some "shots over their heads" may have been useful in discouraging individual idiots. But the only reason there was anyb…

Wow commentators on Hacker News will even dismiss the work of the Special Air Service as 'not being that big a deal when you think about'.

Haha, who knew HN commentators were not only experts in landing rockets at sea, quantum entanglement and esoteric programming languages but also the finer workings of the special forces

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#39

You can tell that they're well seasoned professional troops by the fact that they were comfortable enough to stop and get pizza.

Albanian here, want to clarify some things:

1. The situation was never that bad as the post makes....

It is similar to the current June events in the US (unrests/protests), but sans looting of random businesses, just burning of the PM office (instead of a police precinct).

2. That politician, was not killed by the government, but it is rumored (never verified) that he was setup by his rival leader of his own party. The same guy who very conveniently then went to the streets and demand the government step down. His own bodyguard was somehow intermingled in this thing.

3. Also, 0 foreigners were harmed during these protests, or past ones... I know Embassies have to take precautions, in Albania foreigners are treat as 'guests' of the house, and treated well. (even during protests). Sounds weird, but that's how it is. It is like the whole nation has the 'responsibility' that the foreign guests have a good time when they visit.

It is from old traditions/customs, dating back to ancient times...

4. This is an example of good American intervention, by then Bill Clinton's cabinet, which was very competent. They basically called the 'bad guy', and told him that the US would not recognize this government, as it was not democratically elected, and you will be considered an outlawed gov. and isolated from the rest of the world. That was enough, for the 'bad politician', to step down, and let a provisory government with members from all major parties to take over until the next elections. The coup-de-ta was over in two days with just one phone call, and probably spared the country from a massive bloodshed/unrests.

I know for some reason American involvement gets a lot of flack, but great examples of 'just/correct' and successful intervention almost never make the news. It is always the failures that do, unfortunately.

Re: SAS Rescue 3 Trapped British Diplomats in Albania

#40

I spent a week in Albania last year and my experience couldn't be more opposite (obviously there's no civil war on at the moment). I love the place and it's mostly because of the people. Never have I met more friendly laid back and helpful people. For example, my airbnb host that I stayed with, for all of 2 nights, kept my large suitcase so I could spend the week in the south with just my carry-on bag. When I got bac…

It's pretty comical to compare your tourist visit to Albania last year against a Special Air Service operation during a civil war 23 years ago.

mm I get what you mean, but it was more like: Today Albania is a great country to explore and you'd be missing out if you were in the region and skipped over it.

Another thing is their reputation within Europe is... well to put it as one Albanian said to me laughingly: "They're scared of us. They think we're all gangsters"

Most people don't know a lot about the country so if they just read the article or go from what they have heard a European say, they might have an impression that doesn't truly represent it.

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