Did the stolen RED EPIC ever turn up? Last I heard there was a $100k reward on it.
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Did the stolen RED EPIC ever turn up? Last I heard there was a $100k reward on it.
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?53549-ALERT!-Please-...
http://www.red.com/products/epic
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Werner Herzog was apparently not impressed http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Winter2010/DGAIntervi... Q: What about shooting digitally? A: We used the RED camera for My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done. It's an immature camera created by computer people who do not have a sensibility or understanding for the value of high-precision mechanics, which has a 200-year history. It's terrible: Whenever you have to reboot…
Either way, documentary work is a lot different than scripted film making. It sounds like the RED camera would have obviously been a poor choice for his documentary.
Werner Herzog was apparently not impressed http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Winter2010/DGAIntervi... Q: What about shooting digitally? A: We used the RED camera for My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done. It's an immature camera created by computer people who do not have a sensibility or understanding for the value of high-precision mechanics, which has a 200-year history. It's terrible: Whenever you have to reboot…
I am a little surprised that digital filming isn't hitting it's stride when photographers have taken to the digital transition. Not sure if the celluloid comment is only in reference RED or in reference to digital film in general. I see parallels to audiophile type comments regarding analog v digital.
Then you need a camera operator that is trained on that camera. Imagine if a pro-photographer had 6 different camera brands that they didn't own and didn't know which one they would be presented with on their next job.
Then there is a whole industry of labs, dailies, neg cutters that work with film. Replacing all these with data wranglers, DBAs and sysadmins is expensive - especially with no market leader means you need to hire a team that all know the model you are using.
A recent BBC documentary shot on regular HD cameras had 2people who spent all night copying all the memory cards to hard drives and making backups.
Digital cameras will catch on, probably in independant first - but it's not because of any artistic reason, it's just a cost/time/benefit calculation
Looking forward to seeing what the next Canon 5D will do. Could very well have 2k resolution and do 120+ fps at lower resolutions with it's big full frame sensor.
2k lines @ 120fps is 1GBytes/s - thats a lot of data to push
Werner Herzog was apparently not impressed http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Winter2010/DGAIntervi... Q: What about shooting digitally? A: We used the RED camera for My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done. It's an immature camera created by computer people who do not have a sensibility or understanding for the value of high-precision mechanics, which has a 200-year history. It's terrible: Whenever you have to reboot…
Instead of capturing full frames, it's scanning from top to bottom at 24fps. It's fine for static shots, but as you introduce motion, or fast moving subjects, you get a "jelly" effect.
I have a friend who does highend visual effects. In his experience, the RED also isn't suited for green screen work. Can't remember off the top of my head if it's for rolling shutter or the dynamic range, but it's another limitation.
However, it hits a sweet spot for less demanding productions, like The Social Network.
Werner Herzog was apparently not impressed http://www.dgaquarterly.org/BACKISSUES/Winter2010/DGAIntervi... Q: What about shooting digitally? A: We used the RED camera for My Son, My Son, What Have Ye Done. It's an immature camera created by computer people who do not have a sensibility or understanding for the value of high-precision mechanics, which has a 200-year history. It's terrible: Whenever you have to reboot…
I am a little surprised that digital filming isn't hitting it's stride when photographers have taken to the digital transition. Not sure if the celluloid comment is only in reference RED or in reference to digital film in general. I see parallels to audiophile type comments regarding analog v digital.
Film not only shoots at 24 frames per second (or more), but the final picture has to play on a screen that is literally two stories high. The scale is unforgiving. Things that would fly on television get suddenly ugly - especially if you're only starting with 1080 lines of resolution. And that's before your picture has gone through layers and layers of heavy post production - every one of which constitutes a round of transcoding, and thus, a source of degradation and artifacting.
In other words, not only are you shooting far more frames in far less time (and needing hardware that can do sustained encoding for each one in real time) but, you're doing so at exceptionally high bit-rates, oversampling like hell so that you'll still have a clean picture even after running it through the wringer of post-production. Encoding for broadcast, DVD and the web (which is par for the course with any professional shoot) only adds an extra layer of abuse. When Michael Mann was shooting Collateral (which made heavy use of HD), there were a number of scenes where they had to shoot film, just because the HD rigs capable of supporting adequate bitrates came with umbilical cords that were simply too cumbersome for handheld setups where agility was essential.
There's also been an optical issue, in that sensors for digital motion cameras have typically been much smaller than those used for digital still or motion film cameras. Even if the resolution is commensurate (which is hasn't been), the fact that the same number of scan lines are packed into a smaller area has consequences in terms of the optical effects that the camera can achieve. Specifically, a larger imagine surface allows for a shallower depth of field. Given that really good cinematographers can make masterful use of DOF, it's understandable that they don't like the constricted range that comes with smaller, digital sensors. For guys like Lucas, Fincher, and Jackson - who all do a huge amount of pre-visualization and heavy CG in post - this isn't such a big deal. They can plan around it, or deal with it after the fact. But in a more traditional setting - and for filmmakers who don't have the same hardcore ILM/WETA ethos and skill - the trade-off isn't so favorable.
All that said, my sense is that this RED camera marks a tipping point, where a lot of the advantages that film has held will start to erode in earnest. The thing that's really going to drive this is the exceptionally high dynamic range (that is to say, the range of light levels the camera can handle before the picture either drops into black, or blows out in a haze of pure white). Higher performance in this area really was the trump card for film. But now that RED is not just meeting, but exceeding the long-established benchmarks, a lot of people who have stuck with film are going to ditch it in favor of a much higher ceiling. I mean, wow, 18 stops - that's hot.
I can't speak for this model. However, in the past, the problem with the RED has been the rolling shutter, the same problem you find in DSLR's. Instead of capturing full frames, it's scanning from top to bottom at 24fps. It's fine for static shots, but as you introduce motion, or fast moving subjects, you get a "jelly" effect. I have a friend who does highend visual effects. In his experience, the RED also isn't suit…
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I am a little surprised that digital filming isn't hitting it's stride when photographers have taken to the digital transition. Not sure if the celluloid comment is only in reference RED or in reference to digital film in general. I see parallels to audiophile type comments regarding analog v digital.
Given the exponentially lower amount of data handled by still cameras, it was much easier for them to eclipse 35mm film in terms of quality. Keep in mind that even 'burst mode' on a high-end DSLR only runs at 3-5 frames per second (not 30), and still requires a few seconds between bursts to process and write to disk. Film not only shoots at 24 frames per second (or more), but the final picture has to play on a screen…