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Post by mensetmanusman »

umvi wrote: post #141
mensetmanusman wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might makes right, nothing we can do about it unless people are willing to die to protect them.

"Freedom isn't free" Freedom is extremely expensive in terms of blood required to achieve it, so I'm always amazed at how easily people are convinced to give it up one inch at a time until it's all gone again.

Most people don’t realize that the equilibrium state of humanity is definitely not freedom.

Just check your nextdoor app, or facebook: humans love telling other humans how to behave, if you give them force, they will use it.

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Post by Ericson2314 »

ryanlol wrote: post #102
jussij wrote: post #32

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> I wonder what good things this will do for the UK. Firstly this would bring UK a lot of respect from the world community as any country prepared to stand up to the rule of law will always look good. Next, before China started messing with HK it was the financial hub of Asia, but as China starts to erode the rule of law in HK that title will most likely move on to Singapore. This then means the UK has a great opport…

> some of whom will no doubt be super rich Surely the super rich already have Cyprus passports? This doesn’t really seem like a meaningful offer for the rich, they’d have no trouble with immigration anyway.

It would be more lower upper class who collectively spend more than the ultrarich who are misers proportionally.

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Post by Ericson2314 »

rayiner wrote: post #31
Ericson2314 wrote: post #11

I hope this doesn't get ugly when people try to actually leave. On the bright side, I wonder what good things this will do for the UK. I doubt many of these people will vote Torry.

Many immigrants who fled communism to come to the US remain strong Republican voters. Cubans are still registered Republicans 2:1. Even as of 2008, Vietnamese Americans were registered Republicans by a significant margin. Unlike Trump, Johnson has done a good job pulling in minority voters. About half the Indian MPs in the U.K. Parliament are Tories. Your comment is particularly inexplicable given that Labour just ra…

People are not leaving Hong Kong because of the Mainland's leftist economic policies. This isn't 1960s Mao-led China we are talking about.

Cuban Floridians who came of age after the Cold War have very different politics. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-cuban-ameri...

Vietnamese Americans: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/vietnamese-americans-ar...

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Post by fermienrico »

coldtea wrote: post #208
fermienrico wrote: post #44

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Not sure if I agree. Maimi tourism shifting to Maine is totally different beast since tourism by definition relies on local sights. SV-based entrepreneurs are already going to places like Austin and Portland. It takes time. It would quicker if we get 3 million people situated in an abstract region of US since the critical mass to get the ball rolling would already have been achieved. It would be a challenge, but not…

> Not sure if I agree. Maimi tourism shifting to Maine is totally different beast since tourism by definition relies on local sights. But that's my point. The success of HK businesses also relies on the location (and it's special status).

I checked the special status, that's pretty compelling - their tax haven incentives.

I think these types of regions can be created elsewhere but I totally see your point.

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Post by refurb »

bmitc wrote: post #187
refurb wrote: post #182

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China supported the Khmer Rouge which killed 1 out of 4 Cambodians. Want more examples?

The intended point of my comment was to provide a counterpoint to yours. The things you listed in either comment do not absolve the U.S. from its vast influence via warfare for its own ideological and economic gains, which is what your original comment that I replied to was trying to do.

Whose is talking about absolution.

Yes the US has done bad things. But there are degrees of bad things and I would argue China has done worst things and continues to do so.

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Post by coldtea »

fermienrico wrote: post #214
coldtea wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not sure if I agree. Maimi tourism shifting to Maine is totally different beast since tourism by definition relies on local sights. But that's my point. The success of HK businesses also relies on the location (and it's special status).

I checked the special status, that's pretty compelling - their tax haven incentives. I think these types of regions can be created elsewhere but I totally see your point.

Tax haven status, plus the mere location -- being an port in that (very important) area, with ties to two very important countries...

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Post by supernova87a »

easytiger wrote: post #204
mam2 wrote: post #202

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You are delusional

On what point precisely? Which of my rebuttals of unanchored relative criticism above do you have issue with?

I'll help contribute. The food you talk of -- sure you may have some good food at the top of the scale, but for an every day person's budget, food options in the UK pale in comparison with most any country in Asia.

As for Brexit, the additional economic fallout (already, and coming) from that self-inflicted problem will be worse than the general downturn for most other places.

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Post by Ghjklov »

chrisco255 wrote: post #3

I wish the U.S. could make a New Hong Kong territory on the west coast somewhere. I think that would give the HKers access to the Pacific and a place to rebuild. I'd love to have those brilliant entrepreneurs and engineers over here.

It would be hilarious to see the US using their resources to help some (often wealthy and highly educated) people across the fucking ocean before using them to help the poor in their own country.

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Post by throwaway423342 »

Rapzid wrote: post #13

The Sino-British Joint Declaration was a mistake. What did they think would happen? If not now then what about in 2047?! Were they hoping that was enough time to warm the new generations to the idea of giving up their rights? There is no fixing this, but I appreciate the effort by the British. Many will not want to leave, understandably. But the threat of draining HK is an interesting sort of pressure to put on China…

Laws/Declarations etc is moot when Britain took HK as colony through weapon & war, after the 1840 opium war. Remember, the British tried to sell opium to China, the government at the time refused to take the shit the British merchants tried to sell to China, and the British was like you know what, I'll shove this down your throat. It's so weird when people talk about HK, they don't talk about how it all started, or as if they take colony and war as granted. Good thing China has nuclear these days : )

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Post by throwaway423342 »

throwaway423342 wrote: post #219
Rapzid wrote: post #13

The Sino-British Joint Declaration was a mistake. What did they think would happen? If not now then what about in 2047?! Were they hoping that was enough time to warm the new generations to the idea of giving up their rights? There is no fixing this, but I appreciate the effort by the British. Many will not want to leave, understandably. But the threat of draining HK is an interesting sort of pressure to put on China…

Laws/Declarations etc is moot when Britain took HK as colony through weapon & war, after the 1840 opium war. Remember, the British tried to sell opium to China, the government at the time refused to take the shit the British merchants tried to sell to China, and the British was like you know what, I'll shove this down your throat. It's so weird when people talk about HK, they don't talk about how it all started, or a…

All these is to say, I don't believe at all that Britain cares about democracy in HK. It's all virtue signaling and economic/political incentives.
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