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Re: James Gosling joining Google

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Post by tpz »

Stormbringer wrote: post #99
statictype wrote: post #97

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Once you're done throwing up please re-read what I wrote. I merely suggested that if Google wanted an alternative to Java they could use c# which is a similar (and probably better) language instead of inventing their own.

Be that as it may I still think you're delusional for suggesting that Google should jump on the Mono bandwagon, since Mono directly benefits their biggest competitor. Moreover, in what way does hiring Gosling suggest that Google are seeking an alternative to Java? Is Gosling a closet C# fancier? I strongly suspect the opposite.

Mono directly benefits their biggest competitor.

Mono directly benefits Oracle?

Re: James Gosling joining Google

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Post by mrb »

Google picks its employees the same way good VCs pick founders: candidates are selected based on what they are capable of, without focusing too much on the idea they are going to work on in the immediate future.

Re: James Gosling joining Google

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Post by ori_b »

rch wrote: post #32
ori_b wrote: post #8

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If anything, they'll try to continue with Java instead, I'd expect. They're a big user internally.

I'd counter that it's important to specify the time-frame you're talking about. For instance, would you say that they'll try to continue as a big Java user for the next 15 years? When you stretch out the time-frame, your assertion sounds substantially less credible. At least to me.

I'd be very surprised if they replaced all their Java code within 15 years. But even if they do change over, it's still a very good investment for them to continue maintaining and updating Java for the short term.

Re: James Gosling joining Google

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Post by statictype »

Stormbringer wrote: post #99
statictype wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you're done throwing up please re-read what I wrote. I merely suggested that if Google wanted an alternative to Java they could use c# which is a similar (and probably better) language instead of inventing their own.

Be that as it may I still think you're delusional for suggesting that Google should jump on the Mono bandwagon, since Mono directly benefits their biggest competitor. Moreover, in what way does hiring Gosling suggest that Google are seeking an alternative to Java? Is Gosling a closet C# fancier? I strongly suspect the opposite.

I think you need to re-read the whole thread more carefully. I never suggested that Google needs to adopt a java competitor (and I don't think they do), much less Mono. I was only responding to the hypothetical that someone else raised and said that if Google wanted a java competitor, they could just use C#. I personally can't see why they would want one.

Re: James Gosling joining Google

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Post by jeberle »

woan wrote: post #82
joshes wrote: post #52

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This is a very solid point. Having an internally developed language like Go (which is, according to Rob Pike, being used "for real stuff" inside of Google), the creator of Python (one of the most widely used languages in recent years) and the creator of Java (one of the most widely used languages for at least a decade now) under one roof has to be an embarrassment of riches for any group intending to innovate in the…

Thought I should point out MS also has quite a concentration of languages folks that were famous before joining MS: Butler Lampson, Erik Meijer, Herb Sutter, Burton Smith, Anders Hejlsberg

... and Simon Peyton-Jones (Haskell)

Re: James Gosling joining Google

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Post by neild »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #76
davidw wrote: post #73

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I'd be curious to hear about some of the Tcl vs Java stuff. I was very into Tcl for a while and hated to see it go south: http://journal.dedasys.com/2010/03/30/where-tcl-and-tk-went-...

Tcl was the 'language to beat' amongst the new language products. Self was the 'language like no other' (or a totally new way to express what you wanted to a computer). Java was the 'language that re-used code'. C++ was kind of a joke (remember this was the late 80's, early 90's) since it took a perfectly acceptable language, C, and made writing code harder, more error prone, and less likely to produce correct code (…

Tcl didn't play in that space, and to their credit I don't think the Tcl folks were willing to go there just to ride the buzz.

That's not entirely true. I don't recall the exact timeline, but there was a Tcl plugin for Netscape which could be viewed as playing in much the same space as Java or Flash. A bit of work on media display and animation, and it might well have taken the space that Flash came to dominate.

Unlike browser Java of the time, the Tcl plugin didn't try to bury itself deep within the roots of the browser, was fast, and worked. :>

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