They just seem to have a table like: - Senior: 10+ years - Principal: 5 years - Junior: 2 years and fill their job postings like that Seems like it's a template filling system with that logic
They probably got Watson to do it.
IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#92Since that job advert hasn't been removed yet, I'm guessing it's not by accident.
That being the case, I imagine that sometimes these things get lost in translation in large corporations and don't literally mean what you think they mean.
I imagine what they are looking for is someone who can demonstrate how their 12+ years experience can be applied to that technology.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#93Us programmers tend to be very literal-minded, but my understanding is that in some parts of the Middle East, it is common to exaggerate numbers to provide emphasis, where it’s understood that it’s not to be taken literally. So maybe they just wanted someone with “a lot” of experience in Kubernetes. (Strange idea: Maybe writing it this way even acts as a filter for literal-minded people). It probably works better in-…
I see it as coming down to honesty. When a job requisition has a quantitative requirement that I cannot meet, then absent any ability to double-check and see if there's any wiggle room there (or it's a mistake), I'd have to pass it up. They need x, I lack x, OK, I'll move on, because I won't claim I have what I don't.
From the hiring company's point of view, this is bad, not just because of the people who they miss out on who are still highly skilled, but because those who do interview might not be the most honest. If they are willing to claim they have experience that they can't, then how will they be as an employee? Will they give trustworthy status information, or honest estimates? Will their interactions be customers be forthright? How will their social interactions with their coworkers go?
If a hirer won't take the time to be quite sure they have accurate and realistic requirements in their requisitions, they may end up with quite a problem on their hands down the road.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#94It's like asking for ten years' experience with Swift. The job descriptions (especially in hidebound companies like Big Blue) tend to have mandated experience levels. HR folks aren't engineers, so they should not be expected to know. However, this should be highly embarrassing to the hiring manager, who I'm sure, was handed the ad text for approval, and probably rubberstamped it without thinking.
It would be trivial for someone to Google it, then make a canonical list for the entire HR department. You’re talking about maybe 30 minutes of work to prevent your company from looking like corporate clowns.
Or, you could hand the ad copy to the hiring manager, and assume they would take responsibility (part of the job description for "manager" -I know. I was one for a long time) for approving the copy.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#95> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
The only thing I don't like about it is how every line in this tweet ends in a 'fitting' emoji
I'm not even that old (born in the 80s), but is that the style adults use now?
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#96Recruiters putting silly time requirements on skills is nothing new. My favorite moment of this type was at a meetup for .NET, where a recruiter came in and asked for too many years of experience, and the entire room burst out laughing. She just smiled, accepted the grief we all were giving her, and changed the job description to be accurate. I forget the exact wording she used, but I remember the gist of her respons…
This sounds like a terrible experience for the recruiter. I suggest re-examining the response you had based on understandings of gender issues in tech.
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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#9722 years in-deep Kernel development NOT older than 30 years.
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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#98It's like asking for ten years' experience with Swift. The job descriptions (especially in hidebound companies like Big Blue) tend to have mandated experience levels. HR folks aren't engineers, so they should not be expected to know. However, this should be highly embarrassing to the hiring manager, who I'm sure, was handed the ad text for approval, and probably rubberstamped it without thinking.
> HR folks aren't engineers, so they should not be expected to know. If you job description is to find someone to fill a position you should know what that position is. This is middle management "I don't need to know exactly what I'm managing" levels of cow manure.
We engineers tend to apply a "raised baseline" to non-engineers. We seem to assume that everyone "just knows" the "basics" of tech; especially if we are in a tech environment.
The vast number of employees at corporations over a certain size are non-tech, with specialties in Marketing, Sales, Finance, Administration, Support, Manufacturing, etc.
I see that a lot of tech companies have recruiters that are quite close to their teams. I know that Facebook and Apple do this, as they have contacted me in the past.
Those types of recruiters wouldn't make the same mistake, but they are not common in many corporations.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#99> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
If I were you I would have applied with exactly this sentence, even if I were not looking for a job.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#100> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
The only thing I don't like about it is how every line in this tweet ends in a 'fitting' emoji I'm not even that old (born in the 80s), but is that the style adults use now?
Language changes, and so does written language. I used to use many ASCII smileys, those are pretty rare now.