James Gosling joining Google

Post by crux_ » Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 10:20 PM UTC

neilk wrote: post #72

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This is a very solid point. Having an internally developed language like Go (which is, according to Rob Pike, being used "for real stuff" inside of Google), the creator of Python (one of the most widely used languages in recent years) and the creator of Java (one of the most widely used languages for at least a decade now) under one roof has to be an embarrassment of riches for any group intending to innovate in the…

Nah, that's too many cooks. They all want different things. Guido is interested primarily in usability, and Python is notoriously poor in performance. Rob Pike writes systems languages. With Java, Gosling has written a very enterprise-friendly language, that drags C++ halfway to Lisp.

Post by wtracy » Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 10:46 PM UTC

crux_ wrote: post #81

neilk wrote: post #72

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Nah, that's too many cooks. They all want different things. Guido is interested primarily in usability, and Python is notoriously poor in performance. Rob Pike writes systems languages. With Java, Gosling has written a very enterprise-friendly language, that drags C++ halfway to Lisp.

Nit: Halfway to somewhere , but that somewhere ain't Lisp. I'm under-rested and under-caffeinated, but the only thing I can think of that I'd call an intentional similarity between the two languages is the fact they're both garbage collected.

Post by ShabbyDoo » Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 11:15 PM UTC

pyre wrote: post #74

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Gosling would provide the credibility necessary if Google wanted to usurp Oracle as the provider of an "official" version of Java and/or the JVM. Big Corps are terrified of Oracle. I worked for a Fortune 100 which was all about using Weblogic vs. open source offerings like JBoss. Then, after the Oracle acquisition, the directive was to "explore competing options". Oracle's history of shakedowns is so well established…

IBM was a competitor to Sun. An IBM acquisition of Sun definitely would have triggered the government to get involved and explore the anti-trust/monopoly angle.

Post by nl » Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 12:05 AM UTC

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For those (like me) who don't know he's famous because he invented Java. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gosling

For those for whom this is not enough (or maybe even negative :-) ), there's NeWS. Regardless of this you should also read his "Window System Design:If I had it to do over again in 2002" ( http://www.hack.org/mc/texts/gosling-wsd.pdf ), which is sort of predicting the X -> Wayland move and a good paper on software design.

Post by froydnj » Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 1:08 AM UTC

crux_ wrote: post #81

neilk wrote: post #72

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Nah, that's too many cooks. They all want different things. Guido is interested primarily in usability, and Python is notoriously poor in performance. Rob Pike writes systems languages. With Java, Gosling has written a very enterprise-friendly language, that drags C++ halfway to Lisp.

Nit: Halfway to somewhere , but that somewhere ain't Lisp. I'm under-rested and under-caffeinated, but the only thing I can think of that I'd call an intentional similarity between the two languages is the fact they're both garbage collected.