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In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?
This conversation is about Hong Kong. Not sure why you are trying to deflect from the things that are going on there.
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The united states is, on balance, a rather stupid country. We re-elected a dolt that invaded Iraq on the premise they caused 911 when they obviously didnt. That said, China poses a unique threat: a panopticon, freedom supressing government, with next to no option for change, and trying to expand its borders. Scary.
There are many around the world and in USA who would say the exact same about the USA and I'm sure China says the exact same about USA. I personally see no difference between the two except they're both fighting to be the world superpower and China is really stepping in to take that role from a USA in distress.
Has China done that?
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Might makes right, nothing we can do about it unless people are willing to die to protect them.
HK is just too close to China, you wouldn't want to throw your forces to defend it. Taiwan is probably defendable although it's better for everyone if it remains de facto independent but not risk China's ire.
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Many immigrants who fled communism to come to the US remain strong Republican voters. Cubans are still registered Republicans 2:1. Even as of 2008, Vietnamese Americans were registered Republicans by a significant margin. Unlike Trump, Johnson has done a good job pulling in minority voters. About half the Indian MPs in the U.K. Parliament are Tories. Your comment is particularly inexplicable given that Labour just ra…
Of the four “Great Offices of State”, two are held by people of South Asian heritage, as is the AG, and another Cabinet Member. Two of those people are also women. Got to imaging Sajid Javid will be back there soon. Three of those five families that went via the empire in Africa. Conspicuous absence of black people tho.
I hope this doesn't get ugly when people try to actually leave. On the bright side, I wonder what good things this will do for the UK. I doubt many of these people will vote Torry.
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Tanks are a bit showy when you can just have the police and National Guard shoot protestors without consequence: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Park_(Berkeley) Shooting workers that unionized was also common: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattimer_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Road_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine…
Hard to compare these two scenarios. Look, I’m not arguing that US officials throughout the course of history have been perfect. Kent State was an atrocity, no question. But anyone with a gun can pull the trigger. It takes an enormous amount of coordination to uniformly run over people with tanks, burn their bodies, and flush them down drains. The incidents you’ve linked are undoubtedly dark chapters, but they are no…
China is a horrific, authoritarian monster. I hope this century sees their vision checked and reduced back to the edges of humanity.
In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?
The various incarnations of the dictature that is the CCP have killed millions of its own people through labour camps and unchallenged economic policies that literally resulted in famines and poverty.
But that's not the point. Comparing the evils that each country has done is a distraction from the current topic. It's not the US giving lessons here, it's people like you and me saying that the very present behaviour of China in Hong Kong is unacceptable.
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Man, good thing you limited it to the last 40 years and not the last 60, where they killed tens of millions due to both insane incompetence and malice.
The current leadership in the CCP basically agrees with your analysis, so what’s your point?
75 years ago the United States was part of the allied powers that helped put an end to a genocidal dictator with world domination plans. 200 years ago the United States was a major participator in the global slave trade and actively waging war and committing genocide against the ingenious people of North America.
No ethnic or national group of people have been virtuous throughout history. No ethnic or national group of people have been evil throughout history. Trying to cut history into a small slice in order to draw a moral contrast is misleading and ignorant at best.
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Black jails everywhere where dissidents are tortured. Religious prisoners harvested alive. Repeated invasions of Vietnam. Tienanmen Square massacre and the subsequent rounding up of a generation in concentration camps. Ethnic cleaning of the Uyghurs. Stamping out of Tibet's culture and media blackout of the mass self-immolation epidemic. Imposition of the worlds worst surveillance-state. The CCP is not China.
My father was a veteran of the vietnam war, an immoral war the US fought against the people of vietnam. I pray the Vietnamese nation can hold the line against China.
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In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?
it's not about comparing who did more evil in the world, it's about not doing evil.