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Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by originalvichy »

volkk wrote: post #5

i personally drink coffee less because i can simply take a 25 min power nap when i get my usual noon drowsiness after lunch. i also sleep longer because i dont need to commute as much and feel much more refreshed throughout the day

I got rid of energy variability by just fasting through the workday and making and eating the meal after my 7,5h day. I got the drowsiness after lunch and I also opted for easy to make lunches which were definitely unhealthy.

By just drinking water/decaf coffee/decaf tea, and putting in an effort for a decent meal, I started getting more consistent energy levels. Your mileage may vary.

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by save_ferris »

bsder wrote: post #51
save_ferris wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, major grocers like HEB spent months planning and simulating the effects of the pandemic before it hit the US and still didn't see the run on toilet paper coming.[0] 0: https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-p...

The "press" also causes active damage in these kinds of situations. " shortage in stores" in the news will immediately cause a run on said thus creating the shortage even if it didn't exist before.

So you're arguing that the press should self-censor in this situation? Their job is to report the news in factual and objective manner, not ensure that everyone has enough toilet paper. If the latter isn't true, how do you blame the press for "active damage" in this situation?

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by christoph »

padde wrote: post #48

I ordered more Nespresso capsules during the last four months than I had during the last four years.

Same, as much as I still love my aeropress and french press and hate the Nespresso lock-in, wastage, etc. I do honestly feel my Nespresso Vertuo makes a damn great cup every time, with zero fuss. Plus their ordering and delivery is slick as hell. Ordering a load of different capsules on their mobile app in the evening and they’re at my door the next morning is pretty incredible. They still can’t seem to send a properly formatted HTML email with the invoice/receipt though.

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

setgree wrote: post #39

> Shutdowns for cafes and restaurants -- which typically account for about 25% of demand -- were overwhelming, and it could be a while before things pick up again. I was originally going to theorize something about office workers having more options to deal with fatigue -- taking a nap, or staring into space (and maybe being less fatigued in general from all the time saved commuting?) -- rather than just drinking cof…

... I was going to respond saying that I simply don't limit my sleep anymore. Sure, I work all hours of the day, but I did that before the COVID-19 shutdowns. Now I'm just working all hours of the day, then sleeping until I feel good about waking up.

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Post by rafaelvasco »

Don't know why but my body tends to react badly to acidic foods. So I don't drink coffee (and no alcohol, no junk food, no carbonated sugary poison drinks... and so on ). That said, home office was a godsend for me. I'm now productive and happy. Without coffee :)

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Post by bsder »

save_ferris wrote: post #62
bsder wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "press" also causes active damage in these kinds of situations. " shortage in stores" in the news will immediately cause a run on said thus creating the shortage even if it didn't exist before.

So you're arguing that the press should self-censor in this situation? Their job is to report the news in factual and objective manner, not ensure that everyone has enough toilet paper. If the latter isn't true, how do you blame the press for "active damage" in this situation?

> Their job is to report the news in factual and objective manner, not ensure that everyone has enough toilet paper.

The job of the press is to inform the public--not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

Yes, they should have self-censored.

Shouting "Covid causing shortage of bottled water--News 6 reports!" does nothing to inform the public nor does it create a useful call to action. It only creates a problem--often where none previously existed. There was ZERO reason to believe that Covid would cause a water system failure or contamination.

This is different from "Hurricane incoming. Stock up on water. Here are the places which still have it." The information is useful, timely, and relevant.

Having the free speech protection of being the press does not absolve the press of the responsibility to not be a jerk.

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by save_ferris »

bsder wrote: post #66
save_ferris wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're arguing that the press should self-censor in this situation? Their job is to report the news in factual and objective manner, not ensure that everyone has enough toilet paper. If the latter isn't true, how do you blame the press for "active damage" in this situation?

> Their job is to report the news in factual and objective manner, not ensure that everyone has enough toilet paper. The job of the press is to inform the public--not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. Yes, they should have self-censored. Shouting "Covid causing shortage of bottled water--News 6 reports!" does nothing to inform the public nor does it create a useful call to action. It only creates a problem--often wh…

> The job of the press is to inform the public--not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

But yelling “fire” in a crowded theater is only wrong when there isn’t one, no?

You go on to argue that it’s ok to have the press explicitly tell people do something (i.e. to stock up on water) when we live in a time when having the press directing anyone to do anything results in the exact kind of criticism you levied against them in your previous post. They reported that toilet paper is flying off the shelves. Arguably, an equally if not more effective solution would be to restrict to the number of units a customer could buy at once. But that doesn’t involve bashing the press.

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by elindbe2 »

Anecdotally, I've been quite addicted to coffee since college and wanted to try giving it up. Going to work every day, I had trouble going cold turkey, but once COVID hit and I started working from home I gave it up almost effortlessly. I feel like the disruption of routines makes changing your habits easier.

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by phonypc »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #45
phonypc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For practical purposes. If you want to get pedantic it's probably something like 2-5 calories per serving depending on brewing method.

im pretty sure plain drip coffee ends up way below 1. if you ate a bean how many kcal would that be? the amount of energy impregnated in the water is still way below

Well, you use a lot more than one bean to make a cup of coffee. Drip would be on the low end, but even so some oil/fat makes it into the cup. 2 calories worth of fat is only about 200mg.

Re: The world is drinking less coffee while office workers stay home

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Post by bsder »

save_ferris wrote: post #67
bsder wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their job is to report the news in factual and objective manner, not ensure that everyone has enough toilet paper. The job of the press is to inform the public--not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. Yes, they should have self-censored. Shouting "Covid causing shortage of bottled water--News 6 reports!" does nothing to inform the public nor does it create a useful call to action. It only creates a problem--often wh…

> The job of the press is to inform the public--not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. But yelling “fire” in a crowded theater is only wrong when there isn’t one, no? You go on to argue that it’s ok to have the press explicitly tell people do something (i.e. to stock up on water) when we live in a time when having the press directing anyone to do anything results in the exact kind of criticism you levied against them…

A) You will note that I changed the example to "water" specifically because there was NO possibility that water was going to be an issue. And yet there was still panic and shortages, mostly due to reporting.

B) The press reported toilet paper was flying off the shelves. Except that before they did that, there were only marginal shortages in certain places, mostly because toilet paper is bulky and slow to restock. After the reporting, it was out everywhere instantly. In this instance, that did great harm to those who couldn't just "stock and store".

C) "Arguably, an equally if not more effective solution would be to restrict to the number of units a customer could buy at once."

Sadly, this doesn't actually work. If most people buy toilet paper once a week, a shift to once every 5 days is way more than enough to cause a supply chain shock. There is no way to enforce a consumption level that wouldn't supply chain shock once the panic got started.

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