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Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

door99 wrote: post #45
aswanson wrote: post #36

China is a horrific, authoritarian monster. I hope this century sees their vision checked and reduced back to the edges of humanity.

In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?

Xinjiang? And it's not "in the last 40 years", it's right now.

It's not just the Uighurs in Xinjiang, either. It's the Christians. It's Hong Kong. It's trying to shut down anybody, planet wide, who speaks anything negative about China or Xi.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by door99 »

AlgorithmicTime wrote: post #49
door99 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?

Man, good thing you limited it to the last 40 years and not the last 60, where they killed tens of millions due to both insane incompetence and malice.

The current leadership in the CCP basically agrees with your analysis, so what’s your point?

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

door99 wrote: post #58
save_ferris wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppressing the Tianenmen Square uprising. From a UK diplomatic cable describing the scene: > STUDENTS LINKED ARMS BUT WERE MOWN DOWN INCLUDING SOLDIERS. APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS. Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. Sour…

> Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. do you know what happened in iraq?

To our own citizens? Not that, not even in Iraq.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by claudeganon »

save_ferris wrote: post #53
door99 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?

Suppressing the Tianenmen Square uprising. From a UK diplomatic cable describing the scene: > STUDENTS LINKED ARMS BUT WERE MOWN DOWN INCLUDING SOLDIERS. APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS. Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. Sour…

Tanks are a bit showy when you can just have the police and National Guard shoot protestors without consequence:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Park_(Berkeley)

Shooting workers that unionized was also common:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattimer_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Road_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_Mine_massacre

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by door99 »

aswanson wrote: post #59
door99 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?

Probably many undocumented due to the secretive nature of their government. The threat China poses far outweighs any good they've accomplished recently. Old, unaccountable men with absolute power and surveillance of over 20 percent of the human species is not a good predicate for the 21st century.

> Probably many undocumented due to the secretive nature of their government.

Are you saying the Chinese government could occupy a foreign country, commit war crimes against them, and kill over a million people without anyone knowing?

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by aswanson »

door99 wrote: post #58
save_ferris wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppressing the Tianenmen Square uprising. From a UK diplomatic cable describing the scene: > STUDENTS LINKED ARMS BUT WERE MOWN DOWN INCLUDING SOLDIERS. APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS. Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. Sour…

> Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. do you know what happened in iraq?

The united states is, on balance, a rather stupid country. We re-elected a dolt that invaded Iraq on the premise they caused 911 when they obviously didnt. That said, China poses a unique threat: a panopticon, freedom supressing government, with next to no option for change, and trying to expand its borders. Scary.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by save_ferris »

door99 wrote: post #58
save_ferris wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppressing the Tianenmen Square uprising. From a UK diplomatic cable describing the scene: > STUDENTS LINKED ARMS BUT WERE MOWN DOWN INCLUDING SOLDIERS. APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS. Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. Sour…

> Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. do you know what happened in iraq?

Feel free to enlighten us.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by aswanson »

door99 wrote: post #66
aswanson wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably many undocumented due to the secretive nature of their government. The threat China poses far outweighs any good they've accomplished recently. Old, unaccountable men with absolute power and surveillance of over 20 percent of the human species is not a good predicate for the 21st century.

> Probably many undocumented due to the secretive nature of their government. Are you saying the Chinese government could occupy a foreign country, commit war crimes against them, and kill over a million people without anyone knowing?

Yeah. They're genociding Uiguhr muslims as we speak.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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Post by gruez »

claudeganon wrote: post #64
save_ferris wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppressing the Tianenmen Square uprising. From a UK diplomatic cable describing the scene: > STUDENTS LINKED ARMS BUT WERE MOWN DOWN INCLUDING SOLDIERS. APCS THEN RAN OVER BODIES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO MAKE QUOTE PIE UNQUOTE AND REMAINS COLLECTED BY BULLDOZER. REMAINS INCINERATED AND THEN HOSED DOWN DRAINS. Say what you will about the US, we still haven’t run citizens over with tanks and hosed them down drains. Sour…

Tanks are a bit showy when you can just have the police and National Guard shoot protestors without consequence: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Park_(Berkeley) Shooting workers that unionized was also common: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattimer_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Road_massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine…

>Tanks are a bit showy when you can just have the police and National Guard shoot protestors without consequence:

uhh... what? Have you checked the "legal action" section?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#Legal_act...

or did you expect that the guards' heads be put on a pike?

Oh, and don't forget that we can talk about what happened freely. Try doing that in China.

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