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Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by oxAAAFFB » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 9:27 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #177

oxAAAFFB wrote: post #153

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No dang, you’re wrong. This is like arresting a man who is walking down a dark alley with cash in his pocket for “robbery baiting,” which is insane. His comment is civil, polite and on topic. Censor people who actually flame. don’t punish people for saying what they think is true. Again, this guy hasn’t made any personal attacks or broken the rules in any way. Cmon.

It's absurd to say that slurring "the general attitude of Chinese people" was civil, polite, and on topic. If you say that, I can only imagine that you're not coming into contact with the very large numbers of people who would find such a comment to be the opposite of civil and polite. That's not our situation, and we have to take care of all HN users. Everyone has the right to come here and not see their country or…

I just respectfully disagree. So it’s not possible to be civil or polite while pointing out an unfortunate or unpleasant fact? This is obviously ridiculous. It isn’t hounding and it isn’t slurring and it isn’t personal attacks. You have trouble seeing the difference for some reason. All national groups have problems and the only way they get fixed, the only way we’ve made progress, is by refusing to overlook problems for the sake of not stepping on anyone’s toes. Or for the sake of political expediency, Dan.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by dang » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

oxAAAFFB wrote: post #181

dang wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's absurd to say that slurring "the general attitude of Chinese people" was civil, polite, and on topic. If you say that, I can only imagine that you're not coming into contact with the very large numbers of people who would find such a comment to be the opposite of civil and polite. That's not our situation, and we have to take care of all HN users. Everyone has the right to come here and not see their country or…

I just respectfully disagree. So it’s not possible to be civil or polite while pointing out an unfortunate or unpleasant fact? This is obviously ridiculous. It isn’t hounding and it isn’t slurring and it isn’t personal attacks. You have trouble seeing the difference for some reason. All national groups have problems and the only way they get fixed, the only way we’ve made progress, is by refusing to overlook problems…

The flaw in your argument is the grand canyon between "pointing out an unfortunate or unpleasant fact" and putting down an entire country's "culture".

I don't know what you mean by political expediency but it doesn't sound like something the moderation job is replete with.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by Retric » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:19 PM UTC

rland wrote: post #118

Retric wrote: post #85

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Official VIP students... wow that’s horrifyingly corrupt. Clearly admissions is also letting things slide, just with less official backing as fewer people need to be involved. In the US, collages have more or less rigorous programs rather than simply letting people slide through.

You'll be amazed when you find out about legacy admissions!

Not really. Legacy admission is less significant than generally assumed.

From one study of three selective private research universities

  African Americans: +230
  Hispanics: +185
  Recruited athletes: +200
  Legacies (children of alumni): +160

It’s useful for people very close to the cutoff, but comparing a few legacy students vs regular ones and the difference is not that obvious. Especially when you consider parents of legacy students often help them distinguish themselves well in advance via appropriate after school activities etc.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by leafboi » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 11:25 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #182

oxAAAFFB wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just respectfully disagree. So it’s not possible to be civil or polite while pointing out an unfortunate or unpleasant fact? This is obviously ridiculous. It isn’t hounding and it isn’t slurring and it isn’t personal attacks. You have trouble seeing the difference for some reason. All national groups have problems and the only way they get fixed, the only way we’ve made progress, is by refusing to overlook problems…

The flaw in your argument is the grand canyon between "pointing out an unfortunate or unpleasant fact" and putting down an entire country's "culture". I don't know what you mean by political expediency but it doesn't sound like something the moderation job is replete with.

Unfortunate and unpleasant facts can apply to an entire country and culture. There is no physical law in the universe that prevents this from happening.

In reality, for this specific topic, the canyon is not so wide as you believe and I don't think you have the relevant cultural context to make such a judgement call on how wide it is. It's a century old question... how much freedom of speech and how much censorship and at what cost?

In this case you chose to censor something that could potentially be flame bait (but wasn't) at the cost of preventing any discussion about a very real and general truth about China.