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Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by jeswin » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:04 AM UTC

jariel wrote: post #75

pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

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Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

Those are not in the 'top 10' things required to support an electronics manufacturing base. Africa is the last place any electronics are going to be made, and it's completely unsuitable to their situation, at least currently. Manufacturing any kind of electronics any scale requires a fair bit of sophistication. There is a lot of know how in putting together lines, knowing what to optimise, managing supply chains. I j…

This is a great comment. But I think India will force companies to manufacture locally by having heavy tariffs in key sectors/components (which involve Chinese manufacturing), to offset cheaper production costs in China. It may not be a bad strategy for any country wanting to reduce dependence on China.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by sufyanadam » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:08 AM UTC

jariel wrote: post #75

pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

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Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

Those are not in the 'top 10' things required to support an electronics manufacturing base. Africa is the last place any electronics are going to be made, and it's completely unsuitable to their situation, at least currently. Manufacturing any kind of electronics any scale requires a fair bit of sophistication. There is a lot of know how in putting together lines, knowing what to optimise, managing supply chains. I j…

I have to disagree with you on almost all points. I lived in East Africa for 20 years, and my observation of the African people was that their intelligence was similar to what you'd find anywhere in silicon valley. The problems you mentioned with financial services was solved way back in 1999 and rivals any mobile / cashless system anywhere else in the world, and that was long before things like square came out in the US. Other issues you mentioned such as electricity and water are the reason why you will find some of the most innovative people out there. Rather than complain about their inconvenient lack of opportunities, they think outside the box to achieve whatever they want to achieve. When everything is handed to you on a silver platter, that is what causes lower IQs, and when you have less and are constrained, that is what causes you to innovate. It's amazing to see what some of the makers there make, even the children, when they have very little, or practically nothing sometimes.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by lvbu » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:13 AM UTC

pankajdoharey wrote: post #116

ra7 wrote: post #113

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Your link has no mention of anything you claim. I fail to understand how this illustrates your claim that India is about as democratic as Russia, which in itself is unbelievable.

The link suggests that the democratic institutions are weak and works on the whims of politicians which is what the original comment suggested. Th notorious ganster has been seen with the very same politicians. Let me give you few more examples : 1. Just recently Indian government created an entity called 'PM Care Fund' for the collection of funds during corona pandemic but created explicit laws that people cannot fi…

1. Which democracy in the world do-not have corruption?

2. Where in the article is the mention about government intervention in Judiciary? I read it, but could not find it.

> Free and fare Judiciary and democratic institutions are fundamental to a democracy. I hope this substantiates the original comment.

Your original comment was that India's democracy is close to Putin's Russia. I agree that India being a young democracy need to develop better institutions. However it is not comparable to anything in Russia.

If you really want to compare, why don't you specifically list what happens in a mature democracy like UK, compare that to what is happening in RUSSIA and then show similar issues in India, while also showing that it does not happen in any of the model democracy you have in your mind.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by distances » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:13 AM UTC

tesseracted wrote: post #88

throay423432 wrote: post #60

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These sentiments are based on a 'scientific' world average IQ score; India is at 82 while China is at 105. I think most popularly, these were used by the White supremacist, Stephen Molyneux to justify the colonization of both India and Africa; it shouldn't be surprising to see it used in other dick-measurement... ahem 'eugenics' contests.

I'm actually Indian, have no interest in aggrandizing one group over another, don't know who Stephen Molyneux is, and don't care about white supremacy & colonialism or think it relevant to my point that intelligence and organized behavior is more apparent in China than it is in Africa. Many people who, admittedly after a lot of pretense and equivocation, agree that they care about what is effectively intelligence in…

You may want to be aware that in western groups any talk about national or racial intelligence is usually considered pure racism. I assume it's not like that in India; I've also had a short discussion about this earlier with an Indian colleague when the topic of intelligence somehow came up.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by pankajdoharey » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:16 AM UTC

achow wrote: post #57

pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

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Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

The main issue anywhere is the foresight and tenacity of the political (ruling) class. They have to do things which are long term by cutting back on short term and populist decisions. That is one thing that is holding even India back. In democratic setup it is very difficult to take a long term view particularly when that comes with short term pain - the govt would be out in next election. Africa should learn both fr…

I am a capitalist and I think politicians just reflect the situation on the ground. If the conditions are right Market will automatically take the lead. If it hasn't happened in India yet probably the market conditions are not right and there may be few one can explore but the bottomline is mineral availability.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by em500 » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:20 AM UTC

h0l0cube wrote: post #74

em500 wrote: post #66

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> The likes of Steve Pinker may argue that living standards continue to trend upwards across the board, but it seems like people are just becoming more and more time-poor (happy to be proven wrong on this point). Hours per day Americans spent on leisure and sports is not trending down: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/TUU10101AA01013585 On average it's higher now than in the early 2000s (annual survey begins in 2003).…

Thanks for the link. I see also this, in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Trends_over_time It's probable that the hours have just displaced to poorer countries. Presumably the BLS data, nor the wiki graphic, have data that includes developing and underdeveloped nations. Edit: I found a book on the topic for anyone interested https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@dgreports/@dcomm/@... Edit: Pa…

The ILO studies ends in 2000 and shows a slight increase in the US near the end. Here's what happened after 2000: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AVHWPEUSA065NRUG

(Note that it's not clear if decreases in worked hours are actually desirable. Some people believe many part-timers would want to work more if they could.)

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by bruce511 » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:22 AM UTC

jariel wrote: post #75

pankajdoharey wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I think, the most ideal countries to expand manufacturing to are African countries, they have some of the same advantages once china had. 1. Mineral Resources. 2. Cheap Labour. 3. High Density of Lanthanide and Actinide group minerals. China also has a fourth advantage which is a good mix of Production, Manufacturing and Electronics Engineers. Which Africa doesn't have. On the other hand India doesn't have t…

Those are not in the 'top 10' things required to support an electronics manufacturing base. Africa is the last place any electronics are going to be made, and it's completely unsuitable to their situation, at least currently. Manufacturing any kind of electronics any scale requires a fair bit of sophistication. There is a lot of know how in putting together lines, knowing what to optimise, managing supply chains. I j…

Your comment seems to be unnecessarily sweeping - in the sense that Africa is not a single country, but a continent with more countries than there are US states.

As such there is an enormous range to all of your points, which, with few exceptions, are sufficiently local to make your comment meaningless.

It would be the same as sweeping generalisations about the USA that equated new York, ohio, texas and Montana as all being the same place.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by ilikeerp » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:23 AM UTC

wow_no wrote: post #44

tesseracted wrote: post #37

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Chinese people are also relatively intelligent. That is relevant, I think.

This is grade A racism

I worked in South Africa for 7 years. A large amount of those observations (about workers) were true in RSA too.

We'd usually hire someone that meets the various quota laws then a foreign contractor to do that full time persons job. This was not the original intention and we often reviewed hiring practices etc to ensure the local person was good enough but God damn.... What an 'interesting' labour market.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by h0l0cube » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:34 AM UTC

em500 wrote: post #136

h0l0cube wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link. I see also this, in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Trends_over_time It's probable that the hours have just displaced to poorer countries. Presumably the BLS data, nor the wiki graphic, have data that includes developing and underdeveloped nations. Edit: I found a book on the topic for anyone interested https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@dgreports/@dcomm/@... Edit: Pa…

The ILO studies ends in 2000 and shows a slight increase in the US near the end. Here's what happened after 2000: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AVHWPEUSA065NRUG (Note that it's not clear if decreases in worked hours are actually desirable. Some people believe many part-timers would want to work more if they could.)

Yeah, given the dips corresponding to tech crash and financial crisis, it could be more an effect of underemployment, rather than more leisure time, or less overwork. Given the relatively weak social welfare policy in the US (amongst developed nations), that would match with the narrative of social unrest in lower income brackets in recent years.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by h0l0cube » Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 7:49 AM UTC

em500 wrote: post #136

h0l0cube wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link. I see also this, in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Trends_over_time It's probable that the hours have just displaced to poorer countries. Presumably the BLS data, nor the wiki graphic, have data that includes developing and underdeveloped nations. Edit: I found a book on the topic for anyone interested https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@dgreports/@dcomm/@... Edit: Pa…

The ILO studies ends in 2000 and shows a slight increase in the US near the end. Here's what happened after 2000: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AVHWPEUSA065NRUG (Note that it's not clear if decreases in worked hours are actually desirable. Some people believe many part-timers would want to work more if they could.)

The graphs for other countries are interesting too. India is in favor of the argument that hours are going up in 'poorer' countries, Brazil against. Though unemployment appears chronically worse in Brazil vs India (pre-covid)

India - significant increase https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AVHWPEINA065NRUG https://tradingeconomics.com/india/unemployment-rate

Brazil - significant drop https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AVHWPEBRA065NRUG https://tradingeconomics.com/brazil/unemployment-rate