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Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by pankajdoharey »

quantummkv wrote: post #63
pankajdoharey wrote: post #23

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Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

> India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though Skills do not develop in a vacuum. You need to have requirements for a particular skill before you can spend resources to train workers in those skills. And the lack of large resources is also not that big of a problem. Unlike some countries, India tends to start and maintain friendly relation…

>Skills do not develop in a vacuum. You need to have requirements for a particular skill before you can spend resources to train workers in those skills.

Yes for that you need Education, Indias effort at education are abysmal at best, much of the unskilled labour is either not educated or educated in humanities.

> You might not like Modi. That's acceptable. But to go around claiming that democracy does not exist because your favorite lost the elections is frankly disingenuous.

I was never referring to elections, Democracy is more than elections. It is about public participation, India is run very much like a authoritarian regime with highly corrupt officials.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by harichinnan »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #23
harshalizee wrote: post #11

I wonder if this will be the start of an Exodus of manufacturing away from China. Corporations are constantly under scrutiny with their brand messaging and signaling with respect to various conflicts involving China, Hong Kong and the unrest within the United States. India on the other hand, is a Democratic republic, might help alleviate some issues. If India plays its cards right, they may pave the way for a manufac…

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

I have misgivings with the ruling party at center. But to claim that India isn't Democratic is like saying US is autocratic because of Trump. It's true, India needs to go back to it's secular roots. But the elections aren't faked.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by monocasa »

atlasunshrugged wrote: post #83
monocasa wrote: post #69

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The US doesn't care if you're autocratic; they've propped up and outright installed plenty of dictators.

You're right, but it's an awfully useful pretense for America to invade you if you're not "democratic"

That's just been completely orthogonal. Autocrats that toe the line get to stay in power; democracies that don't get military coups.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by safog »

thewhitetulip wrote: post #51
Aperocky wrote: post #34

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Well didn't foxconn managed to get Trump to paddle a shovel in Wisconsin and then managed to do almost nothing for years? India shouldn't be happy until the billion dollar is actually invested instead of promised.

Yep. I've been hearing for YEARS that Tesla is starting a gigafactory here. Unless they build one and cars are manufactured in it, I'll not trust anything. Google was supposedly going to invest in a telecon company. It also didn't happen in real life, just in newspapers.

Google was going to invest in Jio and they were beaten to the punch by Facebook. There was some talk about investments in Airtel but no idea if that had any weight.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by sbmthakur »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #84
achow wrote: post #62

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> India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia This is first time hearing it. However flawed the elected officials are in India, they do represent the popular sentiments of the population at that time.

Just to illustrate what am talking about, just yesterday a politically well connected gangster who surrendered got encountered, this same gangster has been seen with the top brass politicians in India including the home minister. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/vikas-dubey-caught... It is suspected that if he were to be questioned entire nexus with top politicians would have been revealed.

The incident is shady but it doesn't prove India is as democratic as Russia. The encounter of a notorious gangster who has committed numerous crimes isn't the same as assassinating a major political opponent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Boris_Nemtsov

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by tasogare »

hungryhobo wrote: post #42
tesseracted wrote: post #37

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Chinese people are also relatively intelligent. That is relevant, I think.

I think it has more to do with the culture around emphasis on education rather than pure intelligence

And culture around work too. I’ve a family member who worked on setting up a factory in an African country in post-colonial time and the project advanced very very slowly. Why? Because the workers and locals were stealing some pipes that were mandatory for the project. Also the second any worker was not under surveillance he was goofing around. Part of his job was literally to wake up workers and tell them to work. From what I’ve seen in Asia, this is not a problem.

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Post by 0xFFFE »

d3nj4l wrote: post #31
0xFFFE wrote: post #27

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It is appalling how despite the availability of information online, people still choose not to verify what they hear on the MSM. Here is the link to the Citizenship Amendment Act of 2019 on GOI website. It's only a 2 page document. http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf It was amended to accommodate persecuted minorities from *neighboring countries" of India. It has nothing to do with the Citizens of In…

This is blatant disinformation by omitting context. The CAA itself is discriminatory, since it does not apply to muslims, but in the context of the National Register of Citizens ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens ) it becomes even more sinister. The NRC requires people to prove their citizenship through documentation, which is very difficult for large parts of India's population, who might…

How does citing the official source of the truth become blatant disinformation? Did you read the Act? Your comment reads more like a rhetoric than a real argument based on logic and facts.

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by pankajdoharey »

harichinnan wrote: post #92
pankajdoharey wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

I have misgivings with the ruling party at center. But to claim that India isn't Democratic is like saying US is autocratic because of Trump. It's true, India needs to go back to it's secular roots. But the elections aren't faked.

Democracy is not just about elections. For instance one of the powers that people have in a democracy is to question the usage of funds and be able to get information about them. Similar to Freedom of Information act in US, India has RTI (Right to Information). But government has made explicit laws in some cases to keep institutions out of RTI so people cannot practice their right. Just recently during corona pandemic Indian government created a 'PM Care Fund' and passed explicit laws that it cannot be Audited or be under RTI, so there is no information on how much money people have donated for the cause or where is the government using it. https://www.thequint.com/news/india/coronavirus-pm-cares-fun...

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Post by em500 »

h0l0cube wrote: post #74
em500 wrote: post #66

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> The likes of Steve Pinker may argue that living standards continue to trend upwards across the board, but it seems like people are just becoming more and more time-poor (happy to be proven wrong on this point). Hours per day Americans spent on leisure and sports is not trending down: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/TUU10101AA01013585 On average it's higher now than in the early 2000s (annual survey begins in 2003).…

Thanks for the link. I see also this, in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time#Trends_over_time It's probable that the hours have just displaced to poorer countries. Presumably the BLS data, nor the wiki graphic, have data that includes developing and underdeveloped nations. Edit: I found a book on the topic for anyone interested https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@dgreports/@dcomm/@... Edit: Pa…

Not sure if I follow your thought process, are you suggesting that people in developing and underdeveloped nations used to have more leisure time in the past than they do now?

Re: Apple supplier Foxconn to invest $1B in India, sources say

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Post by harichinnan »

quantummkv wrote: post #63
pankajdoharey wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing is not just about cheap skilled labour it is about resources aswell. India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though. Also India is just about as democratic as Putins Russia.

> India lacks both cheap "skilled" labour and mineral resources. They do have low and unskilled labour in high numbers though Skills do not develop in a vacuum. You need to have requirements for a particular skill before you can spend resources to train workers in those skills. And the lack of large resources is also not that big of a problem. Unlike some countries, India tends to start and maintain friendly relation…

Parliamentary republic with brute majority would feel like a dictatorship. There's no real seperation of legislative and executive branches. Judiciary largely plays to win post retirement careers. But that usually gets fixed after an election or two. Democracies are often compared to China or Singapore on how they are inefficient in addressing long term issues. A parliamentary republic is a fair compromise between an autocracy and a gridlocked presidential republic like in US. If a brute majority mandate is used well, a party can bring along revolutionary changes in short notice.
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