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> The English are an ethnic minority in London. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London 63% of London was born in the UK. You mean white English, I presume? Even there, they're a plurality.
Ethnically English. Can you read?
John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)
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Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It goes to his definition of "political correctness." It seems that what he feels needs to be culturally protected is his right to make unfunny, inaccurate claims about the nature of London without criticism. While (to my knowledge) nobody says he shouldn't have the right to make such claims, the notion that he's heading towards an "Orwellian nightmare" because people have less tolerance for such inaccurate and unfun…
> inaccurate claims What is inaccurate about the claims. The English are an ethnic minority in London. That is a fact. You can say oh Englishness isn't the same as the Ethnic English, but to do that you are stripping English people of their ethnic identity and their culture. > nobody says he shouldn't have the right to make such claims Yes, please do believe that. Lots of them. It may shock you but in much of the wor…
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ethnically English. Can you read?
English isn’t an ethnicity.
That’s pretty clearly not true, though the boundaries of that ethnicity will be perceived differently by different people.
“The English people are a nation and an ethnic group native to England who speak the English language, and share a common history and culture. The English identity is of early medieval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ('family of the Angles').”
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a little bit QED. If 'who said it' and 'what views do they hold' is more important than what they're actually saying, then we've become post-rational, and well on our way back to less open and enlightened culture.
Who said it and what views they hold is important for distinguishing between what they technically said and what they actually said.
It generally indicates that you don't have a rational refute to the argument.
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#95Political correctness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. For all the right likes to bitch about cancel culture, they are always the ones who go: "you just lost a fan/customer!"
There is a significant difference between a person deciding to not buy a product or listen to a show than an outrage mob trying to get amazon to not sell a product at all or a network to cancel a show.
Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)
#96Perhaps worth noting: This is the same John Cleese that has decried London becoming a multicultural city that is "no longer English." https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/john-cleese-is-cancel...
How is this worth noting at all? Either he's correct or he's not, ad hominem is fallacious. Please engage with ideas on their merits rather than by reading through the author's tweets until you eventually find something unfashionable and unrelated.
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What's your definition of "native"?
Obviously, born in the UK. What other definition could there be?
When you talk about "native Americans" you would assume it's more than just being "born there", there would be the assumption of ethnicity and culture included. Likewise with other "natives". Even legally speaking being born in the UK doesn't necessarily make you a British citizen. I am curious why a different definition from what seems to be the norm becomes "obvious" to you.
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> inaccurate claims What is inaccurate about the claims. The English are an ethnic minority in London. That is a fact. You can say oh Englishness isn't the same as the Ethnic English, but to do that you are stripping English people of their ethnic identity and their culture. > nobody says he shouldn't have the right to make such claims Yes, please do believe that. Lots of them. It may shock you but in much of the wor…
Has John Cleese been canceled? Because, I mean, we're talking about him right now.He doesn't seem any more ignored or paid attention to than any other member of the Python gang.
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#99"If people can't control their own emotions, then they have to start trying to control other people's behaviour." Watching the current state of the western world, apparently only very few people have the ability to reflect on themself enough to realize this. Hopefully this is only a loud minorty. I maybe the wrong person to judge, but imho, we need to resolutely oppose the PC- and cancel culture.
(disclaimer - I haven't watched the video, because a. it's a video, come on, and b. John Cleese's attitudes are already well-known to me from many other sources, interviews, etc.) > If people can't control their own emotions, then they have to start trying to control other people's behaviour. Yes, this statement is exactly true - but not in the way that John, and you, seem to think. One interpretation - yours, if I m…
Re: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare (2016)
#100Political correctness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. For all the right likes to bitch about cancel culture, they are always the ones who go: "you just lost a fan/customer!"