I'm confused. A lot of these areas overlap. Are these areas of land ownership or something else? How do you have multiple owners of the same physical location? In which period of time?
Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
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#152I'm confused. A lot of these areas overlap. Are these areas of land ownership or something else? How do you have multiple owners of the same physical location? In which period of time?
Nomadic societies, shifting borders, partially shared residence. There are other possible explanations.
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ah yeah "terra nullius", a pretty good excuse if you want to justify colonial occupation of lands that don't belong to you. It's a horseshit excuse sorry.
By what right did the the land belong to the native Americans? Do you think all the native tribes spilled out of Alaska and then neatly fitted themselves into mutually-recognized non-overlapping territories never to be disturbed?
Indigenous people have been in NA for an extremely long time and have sorted themselves into nations over that time just like any where else in the world.
If there are overlapping disagreements between Indigenous Nations about land title, as there are with all sorts of modern nations around the world, there are lots of modern mechanisms to settle that.
Not sure how any of this has any relevance or should be used as a justification colonialism and for pushing people off their lands.
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#154This map should really have some dates on it. It might represent the state of things within, say, a 100 year period (or so) of European arrival, but it doesn't convey the history of humans in North America. I read the FAQ and could not find any information on what time period is represented here. If someone showed you a map of Europe or China marked out like this, it would be natural to ask "when is this?" None of th…
Yes, for example the Seminoles weren't native to Florida they were bands of Creeks pushed there by the Upper Creeks and Europeans in the 1700s, and were also invited by the Spanish. They weren't even named as a distinct group until the 1770s. There were many other Florida tribes.
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Why does that article not address the most dominant cause of the wealth gap, which is broken homes and blacks dropping out of school, not going to college etc? That's an issue of personal choices more than anything else.
I'd ask for a citation, but I know you're arguing in bad faith. If you were here for an honest debate, you'd act like it.
Right on. He/She/It has to be a deliberate troll. Noone (well, here I hope) is that obtuse.
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#156This is an informative project that originates from Canada that shows just how many different peoples, nations, and polities used to lie hundreds of years ago on pockets of land that's now largely under the sovereignty of post-colonial megastates. Their coverage is focused on North America, but there's also entries in South America, Australia, and New Zealand. This isn't a critique of this project, but a question abo…
It looks like Canada only. If they have anything from the US it must be somewhere other than the Northern Great Plains.
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The FAQ also contains this, and more nuanced discussion about what the map means. Why are we recognizing more than one Nation on this territory? Indigenous history stretches back thousands and thousands of years. Some Indigenous nations were nomadic, while many had permanent communities and seasonal communities. Often, boundaries between territories overlap because the Indigenous Nations were continuously sharing the…
"Continuously sharing and negotiating" is a wild ride of a euphemism. It's like writing that the Mamluks and Ottomans continuously shared and negotiated a couple of peninsulas. It's true, but what it doesn't say is incredible.
Yeah, different tribes did wage war on other tribes. The echoes of those conflicts are remembered today.
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#158I'm confused. A lot of these areas overlap. Are these areas of land ownership or something else? How do you have multiple owners of the same physical location? In which period of time?
In my area, there are several bands of Chumash -- Ventureño, Obispeño, etc -- all of which are the same nation, but different bands. Both are shown on this map, the set and its subsets.
But, of course, some people would have a territory, then another people would come in and claim it as their own territory because the other people weren't "using" it. This started well before 1492 -- and based on nature, probably began long before the Homo genus ever appeared on Earth.
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#159I don't see a time scale on the map. If you go back 18,000 years or so, there were no humans in North America. After that, there was a series of migrations from Asia. Certainly, over time, distinct tribes formed, reformed, and disappeared, over varying areas, until we get the current map you see. It would be nice to see a time scale reflect this morphology.
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> I do personally struggle with a system of objection/dismissal based on the "well, it's a dog-eats-world" mindset. I used to be perplexed by these responses on HN as well but they make a certain kind of sense. If you have really doubled down on science and evolution and take them to their logical extreme, Darwinism really does just reduce to "if I can eat you, I win." It occurs to me that many posters on HN are very…
It takes a pretty impoverished understanding of evolution to write off cooperation and symbiosis as strategies for passing on ones genes.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying those are the conclusions many folks on this forum seem to have drawn.