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Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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post #29

> The camera is engineered so that it can’t activate without the camera indicator light also turning on. This is how you can tell if your camera is on. Is this verifiably true? I trust Apple on security matters more than the average laptop maker, but the fact that so many of these indicator lights are software-controlled erodes my trust in basically all of them.

Yep, for a decade Macs have been shipping with indicator lights hard wired to camera power.

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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post #195

Just as a social observation I noticed a pattern which always struck me pretty hard: Nearly all (say 9 out of 10, and not, it's not an exaggeration) of my friends – me included FWIW – have some kind of cover over their webcams. This is true even for people who you would describe as the opposite of tech-savvy. Sometimes these folks even have no ad blocker installed and use Chrome happily. But still: Everybody has some…

Probably because it's more concrete than some abstract threat like the ad industry building a dossier on you, or the NSA spying on your web browsing habits and phone records. John Oliver uses this to great effect when talking about NSA surveillance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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How could it be equally lucrative? The amount of information someone can gather from a camera is much smaller than what you could gather from a microphone in a given room. If I am in a conference room talking about strategy, an uncovered camera will just pick me up. The microphone will capture everyone’s conversation.

If you have your laptop in your bedroom, an uncovered camera can provide material for blackmail easily and fast.

How many people are doing something that is worth the time to blackmail in front of a camera and have the means to pay a substantial sum of money compared to the value of corporate secrets?

Also what are the chances that a microphone wouldn’t overhear something incriminating even if the camera were covered in your bedroom?

And I am really not trying to go down the road of wondering if you are doing something incriminating in your bedroom and your partner is being completely silent what that implies.....

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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I would say you are equally likely to catch someone jacking off through the webcam as to catch valuable information through the microphone. They are therefore equally lucrative

How could it be equally lucrative? The amount of information someone can gather from a camera is much smaller than what you could gather from a microphone in a given room. If I am in a conference room talking about strategy, an uncovered camera will just pick me up. The microphone will capture everyone’s conversation.

Your eyes

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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With regard to privacy, the microphone is 100x more sensitive than the camera most of the time, and it’s much harder to secure.

Mic-Lock: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KRC3G7R/

That's incredibly overpriced at $26.99 for what is essentially just a dummy input...

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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What makes you feel that way? I enjoy the peace of mind and lack of a notch on my screen. It's designed and advertised as a feature, not an oversight.

There's a lot more moving parts to go wrong.

It's a bit unfair to say that a single moving part is "a lot more moving parts". I can almost guarantee you that my phone will outlive its usefulness before the camera stops working based on current market trends.

Regardless, it's a feature I wanted and the engineering team catered to this desire, so I don't see how this is an oversight. Engineering is about trade-offs.

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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post #18

> The camera is engineered so that it can’t activate without the camera indicator light also turning on. This is how you can tell if your camera is on. I'd assume this is done in firmware for the camera module?

Hard wired to Camera power supply, no firmware necessary.

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could it be equally lucrative? The amount of information someone can gather from a camera is much smaller than what you could gather from a microphone in a given room. If I am in a conference room talking about strategy, an uncovered camera will just pick me up. The microphone will capture everyone’s conversation.

If you have your laptop in your bedroom, an uncovered camera can provide material for blackmail easily and fast.

Depends on your tolerance for shaming. I, for one, would probably be a bit pissed off if someone threaten to publish video of me jerking off, but wouldn't care about that enough to pay anyone any money. Listening to a secret conversations in conference room on the other hand, than can be valuable on it's own, no need to blackmail.

Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera

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I've had tape over my camera on my mac pro for over 10 years and have had no problems. And no Apple I don't trust the light indicator.

A small square of electrical tape works nicely, and can be moved aside if need be. But will it cause damage?
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