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Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by nxc18 »

president wrote: post #80
hn3333 wrote: post #29

Does anyone else feel we're suddenly supposed to be anti-China? Is it because of Hong Kong? (Honest question, I have no strong opinion .) Because it feels like after Russia and Muslims now China is the new enemy. Kind of stupid imho. Anyway, the high road would probably be not to ban any apps but to make the operating systems safer..

You have incorrectly framed the issue. The fact is that China has been anti-US and anti-democracy for the past few decades and the world is finally coming to terms with that and defending themselves. It is both laughable and sad that so many Americans like yourself are so ill-informed and quick to jump on the "US bad" train.

They never said US bad.

I think its totally reasonable to point out that there was a sudden, drastic shift in tone over the last 3-6 months.

TikTok was gaining popularity last summer, and no one, short of a few NYT op-eds, said anything.

China is a geopolitical rival. We should probably aspire to be better than them first rather than copy them with an internet firewall and censorship of our own. One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'exactly the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do.

edit: gendered language edit: updated quote for accuracy (absolutely->exactly)

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by adventured »

jlarocco wrote: post #52
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to know what US laws TikTok has violated first.

Yeah, not to defend Tik-Tok, China, or spyware in general, but it's ironic that nobody has a problem with Google, Facebook, and other American companies tracking everything people do, but when a Chinese company starts doing it, it's suddenly a big problem. But then again, TikTok probably doesn't answer their subpoenas...

There's nothing complicated or unusual about it. It's not ironic either.

China is increasingly an adversary to the US. That context is going to get a lot worse this decade. TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and ultimately must (and will) answer to China. Facebook, Google, et al. are of course American companies.

For a nation, whether Facebook concerns you as much as TikTok depends largely on which side you're on (or if you have a side at all).

The world is going to be aggressively bifurcated, US-USSR style, going forward. There will be the liberal side and the China side. China's direction is fundamentally opposed to the major liberal nations, what they commonly believe in and how their systems operate. That conflict and incompatibility will get worse as China's behavior continues to get worse.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by president »

8ytecoder wrote: post #60
partiallypro wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has been an American economic foe for a while. The CCP has stepped up measures and started to push their agenda and censorship globally. They have stepped up their presence in the South China sea and claimed ownership of international waters. They have clamped down on Hong Kong and other provinces, put Muslims in concentration camps using them as slave labor, stealing their organs, shaving their heads and selli…

They have used Belt and Road to expand their influence. They have extended loans and goodwill to bring various countries in Asia and Africa under their influence. They are way more aggressive and assertive than they used to be. Chinese companies and investment firms have been aggressively buying companies throughout the world. The list goes on. Without commenting on the values of it, at the very least it's a challeng…

> In fact, I was surprised it took over a decade for countries to start pushing back.

It didn't help that many politicians, media, and elites had been slowly bought by China. There were many China skeptics that had raised red flags but were largely ignored.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by bigpumpkin »

orblivion wrote: post #8

Sorry if I missed something obvious, but if we're at the point where the U.S. government is even contemplating banning TikTok, how come it's on Google and Apple stores at this point? They seem to be at least somewhat vigilant about spyware etc.

Perhaps Google and Apple's standard for evidence is higher than the US government's.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by cheonic729 »

chooseaname wrote: post #85
yumraj wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are controlling the environment under which their company emails can be accessed. If you, as an employee, don't want to remove TikTok I believe you will have that right, it's just that you won't be able to access company emails from that device. Now, whether or not that leads to a company phone or you having to look for another job, depends on the individual and how important that individual is to the compan…

If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. I never mix work and personal. I've also never had a company say no to that.

> If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone.

No they don't.

If you don't like it, switch employers.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by lovich »

chooseaname wrote: post #85
yumraj wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they are controlling the environment under which their company emails can be accessed. If you, as an employee, don't want to remove TikTok I believe you will have that right, it's just that you won't be able to access company emails from that device. Now, whether or not that leads to a company phone or you having to look for another job, depends on the individual and how important that individual is to the compan…

If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. I never mix work and personal. I've also never had a company say no to that.

Adding another anecdote, when I said I did not want to let work control my mobile phone, my boss told me I could figure out whether I wanted to keep the job or not

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by RobRivera »

yumraj wrote: post #76
ianmobbs wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Amazon provide company phones or just install an MDM profile on your personal phone? I have TikTok installed on my phone, and if my employer said I had to remove it to access my work email, I'd ask them to buy me a work phone. It seems a bit ridiculous that they'd want to control what apps you download on your personal device without providing an alternative.

No, they are controlling the environment under which their company emails can be accessed. If you, as an employee, don't want to remove TikTok I believe you will have that right, it's just that you won't be able to access company emails from that device. Now, whether or not that leads to a company phone or you having to look for another job, depends on the individual and how important that individual is to the compan…

That framing is the exact point. I'm in the same boat. If my employer mandated that I not be able to use a personal device the way i want, a device I bought with wages i earned from working with my employer, the employer really SHOULD provide a cost free alternative.

It falls under the category of providing your own resources to do your job, and that territory enters socioeconomic discrimination territory real quick.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by codegladiator »

paxys wrote: post #88
ehsankia wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, are these 1. Devices owned by Amazon, for work 2. Personal devices with the amazon email added directly 3. Personal devices with amazon email added on Work profile Could not find this info in the articles or tweet.

I don't think any mid-large company allows 2 anymore. Access to company resources always comes with an MDM policy.

You are wrong to think that. I wish I could name the companies.
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