Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
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Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#2"Indigenous Nations" are ethnotribal-pseudostates. They are racist and problematic. Claiming that some land is "Native Land" is the same as claiming some land is "White land".
This is not flamebait. The reservation system is a relic of a time when both the white European settlers AND the Natives saw themselves as separate enough to be unable to live together in a single Nation.
It is time we undo these artificial racial separations.
As for my claim that asserting the existence of Native Land is equivalent to asserting the existence of White Land, well, if we choose to treat people equally, why would certain prohibitions applied to one race not apply equally to others? If we decide that White land is a racist concept, which it is, how can we not apply that same reasoning to everyone else, unless we are racially targeting White people?
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#3Neat map!
Some usability issues -- if one border is entirely within another border, e.g. near Seattle, I couldn't figure out how to click it. Also, I wish the map was larger without fullscreening.
Edit: The title also seems to be not quite right, as the map covers more than North America.
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#4Somehow I doubt the Russians, English, Spanish, French etc that arrived in the Americas landed on a Westphalian continent. I think maps like this give the wrong impression.
Wabanaki (among others) invited French colonists to settle Quebec in part to check (and perhaps attack) the Mohawk, among other conflicts. ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars
I think it is almost universally agreed that the French treated the natives better and more collaboratively than the English, who took a different tone. It's somewhat a shame that the English won that balance of power so early. I wonder how it would be different today if Canada was still New France.
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#5"Indigenous Nations" are ethnotribal-pseudostates. They are racist and problematic. Claiming that some land is "Native Land" is the same as claiming some land is "White land". This is not flamebait. The reservation system is a relic of a time when both the white European settlers AND the Natives saw themselves as separate enough to be unable to live together in a single Nation. It is time we undo these artificial rac…
Please try to make high quality comments on Hacker News. Here are the public guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
There are plenty of high quality, _critical_ comments and discussion to be made on this submission and broader subject - why eschew that in favor of flamebait?
edit: You've since edited your comment, but I still think it could be substantially improved if you want an interesting (and provoking!) discussion.
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#6"Indigenous Nations" are ethnotribal-pseudostates. They are racist and problematic. Claiming that some land is "Native Land" is the same as claiming some land is "White land". This is not flamebait. The reservation system is a relic of a time when both the white European settlers AND the Natives saw themselves as separate enough to be unable to live together in a single Nation. It is time we undo these artificial rac…
Can you explain further? I don’t see how you reach your conclusion from your premise. Or, how you reach your premise at all.
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#7Somehow I doubt the Russians, English, Spanish, French etc that arrived in the Americas landed on a Westphalian continent. I think maps like this give the wrong impression. Wabanaki (among others) invited French colonists to settle Quebec in part to check (and perhaps attack) the Mohawk, among other conflicts. ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars I think it is almost universally agreed that the French treate…
Unfortunately this is a time for history to be oversimplified, and in some cases rewritten.
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#8Somehow I doubt the Russians, English, Spanish, French etc that arrived in the Americas landed on a Westphalian continent. I think maps like this give the wrong impression. Wabanaki (among others) invited French colonists to settle Quebec in part to check (and perhaps attack) the Mohawk, among other conflicts. ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars I think it is almost universally agreed that the French treate…
Please stop with the facts and history written by white men, it has no place in identity politics.
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#9"Indigenous Nations" are ethnotribal-pseudostates. They are racist and problematic. Claiming that some land is "Native Land" is the same as claiming some land is "White land". This is not flamebait. The reservation system is a relic of a time when both the white European settlers AND the Natives saw themselves as separate enough to be unable to live together in a single Nation. It is time we undo these artificial rac…
Can you explain further? I don’t see how you reach your conclusion from your premise. Or, how you reach your premise at all.
I do want to hear more from more versed people since I hear arguments in favour of indigenous rights that are variations of pro-(insert your ethnogroup) rights. Why are some pro-ethno rights alright and others not? Is it that because some ethnogroups are considered in disadvantage and hence deserving special rights?
I understand the concept Affirmative Action, is this what we are talking about?
Re: Whose Land – Indigenous Nations of North America
#10"Indigenous Nations" are ethnotribal-pseudostates. They are racist and problematic. Claiming that some land is "Native Land" is the same as claiming some land is "White land". This is not flamebait. The reservation system is a relic of a time when both the white European settlers AND the Natives saw themselves as separate enough to be unable to live together in a single Nation. It is time we undo these artificial rac…
Please try to make high quality comments on Hacker News. Here are the public guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html There are plenty of high quality, _critical_ comments and discussion to be made on this submission and broader subject - why eschew that in favor of flamebait? edit: You've since edited your comment, but I still think it could be substantially improved if you want an interesting (a…
I don't agree that's its flamebait, and I am even skeptical of the concept of flamebait as one person's flamebait is another's honest opinion.
In fact I think the comment in question is a strait forward and honest opinion that is just missing the usual euphemisms and massaging that usually accompany such controversial topics.
And I also think that questioning whether tribal pseudo sub-states should exist is completely relevant to a discussion about tribal reservations.